Gunman Kills 30 students in Virginia, US

[shadow cup]

Gunman kills 30 on Virginia Tech Campus

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By SUE LINDSEY, Associated Press Writer 20 minutes ago

BLACKSBURG, Va. - A gunman opened fire in a Virginia Tech dorm and then, two hours later, in a classroom across campus Monday, killing at least 30 people in the deadliest shooting rampage in U.S. history, government officials told The Associated Press. The gunman was killed, bringing the death toll to 31.


- "Today the university was struck with a tragedy that we consider of monumental proportions," said Virginia Tech president Charles Steger. "The university is shocked and indeed horrified."


It was not immediately clear whether the gunman was shot by police or took his own life. His name was not released, investigators offered no motive for the attack. It was not known if the gunman was a student.

The shootings spread panic and confusion on campus, with witnesses reporting students jumping out the windows of a classroom building to escape the gunfire. SWAT team members with helmets, flak jackets and assault rifles swarmed over the campus. Students and faculty members carried out some of the wounded themselves, without waiting for ambulances to arrive.


The massacre took place at opposite sides of the 2,600-acre campus, beginning at about 7:15 a.m. at West Ambler Johnston, a coed dormitory that houses 895 people, and continuing at least two hours later at Norris Hall, an engineering building about a half-mile away, authorities said.

Police said they were still investigating the shooting at the dorm when they got word of gunfire at the classroom building.


After the first shots were fired, students were warned to stay indoors and away from the windows. But some students said they thought the precautions had been lifted by the time the second burst of gunfire was heard, and some bitterly questioned why the gunman was able to strike a second time, two hours after the bloodshed began.


"What happened today this was ridiculous. And I don't know what happened or what was going through this guy's mind," student Jason Piatt told CNN.

"But I'm pretty outraged and I'll say on the record I'm pretty outraged that someone died in a shooting in a dorm at 7 o'clock in the morning and the first e-mail about it — no mention of locking down campus, no mention of canceling classes — they just mention that they're investigating a shooting two hours later at 9:22."


He added: "That's pretty ridiculous and meanwhile, while they're sending out that e-mail, 22 more people got killed."

FBI (http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news/?p=FBI) spokesman Richard Kolko in Washington said there was no evidence to suggest it was a terrorist attack, "but all avenues will be explored."


Up until Monday, the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history was in Killeen, Texas, in 1991, when George Hennard drove his pickup into a Luby's Cafeteria and shot 23 people to death, then himself.



Source (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070416/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_shooting)

[shadow cup]

It is times like these that I question the wisdom of liberal gun laws...

I mean, to allow gun ownership simply encourages gun-related crimes. And all for what? The right to bear sidearms? Where is the responsibility?

If side-arms are indeed the peoples' way of keeping control of their own lives in the face of an increasingly oppressive government then perhaps ownership should be limited to localized police units under the direct control of the local governance of the area.

Guns make killing too easy. Point, pull the trigger, feel the kick and watch the body drop... There is no honour in the matter... only death. ~_~

[rodolfo]

In Malta this is entering aswell. Permits are already being issued. People will be able to keep pistols and other hand guns at home just as long as they have a clean police record and a safe. There will be shooting galleries where one can practice and enjoy oneself. I know what some of you will suggest... please dont :) :)

I did practice this sport and it does take away tension. In fact its prety widespread in Europe..as yet we dont have school shootings here. Who knows why in America??

[etoile noir]

rodolfo is right. even here i recently heard that it is legal to purchase and keep a gun. you need a police permit but its given.

and latest news on the tragic shooting - the police said that the murderer was "asian".

[Sepp44]

[quote]It is times like these that I question the wisdom of liberal gun laws...
Is it really about liberal gun laws or just plain hard cash,the gun lobby and the arms manufacturers of which Uzi(the israeli weapon) does very nicely thank you.

I mean, to allow gun ownership simply encourages gun-related crimes.

Especially within the negroe communities in the US.Washington,Detroit and Los Angeles to name but a few.

And all for what?
A good life without having to do an honest days work.Drug crime etc etc etc ad nauseum in the case of AmeriKa.Sadly,Britain is going the same way although there is a total ban on ALL firearms in Britain.

The right to bear sidearms? Where is the responsibility?

It is the 'right to bear arms'.As in the Waco incident,that may even include M 16's.Why the AmeriKans are even proud of the fact that they now manufacture their own 'Kalashnikovs'.Great for armed robberies as witnessed on prime time TV in cuckoo land where two white honkies armed with Kalashnikovs took on the county police force.Hollywitz,why they even made a movie out of it.Matters not that people died.Money,money,money.

If side-arms are indeed the peoples' way of keeping control of their own lives in the face of an increasingly oppressive government
The thing is SC,the people havn't figured out what their own govt is doing.They use the weapons on each other.

Guns make killing too easy. Point, pull the trigger,
Correct! SOMEONE has to pull the trigger.Without a trigger finger,a perp,the weapon is but a useless piece of metal with no function.It is the human being element that makes it a lethal weapon 1,2,3,and 4.Just ask Mel!

Anyway,think about the money to be made in this sad episode by the ambulance chasers or in these kinds of tragedies,the jewish medical profession.The psycho-therapists of the Klein,Berg and Hoffman ilk will make a fortune.

Lets all gather around for a group hug:rolleyes:Let it all out!I'll book you in fro 100 sessions.Yes,I do take AmeriKKKAN Express.That will do nicely.(sorry)

Sorry for the flippancy but these events no longer have 'shock' value in my grey matter.50 plus people die everyday in Iraq so Amerikan colleges where lovesick puppies and boys with big chips on little shoulders do their dirty deeds do not move me.

Check out the film 'Bowling for Columbine'.The producer Michael Moore addresses the issue of guns,bullets, schools,Walmart,and even Charlton Heston ,president(or was) of the North AmeriKan Rifle Association.Judah Ben Hur was a real man.Charlton(the only other Charlton I know has FC after its' name)is a gimpy fag Hollywitz has been.

[shadow cup]

Yes... well it is hardly a surprise considering the number of shotguns the hunters require for their hobby...

This might be one of the reasons why the shotgun, sawn or not, is a relatively popular weapon in hold-ups on the Maltese Islands.

Rudolfo, I can certainly understand where you are coming from here. I have not got a lot of experience (mostly at fairs) but can say that even I myself would find the feel of a firearm in my hands to be desirable in a way - it is a sort of power rush not to be under-estimated. Still... such power comes with grave responsibilities which is why I am of the opinion that only members of the defense forces/ police/ military ought to be given permission possess a fire-arm, and with a strict limit in personal ammunition.

Shooting ranges would be a positive step but would need to be of the indoor variety, high security and also serving as a cache of firearms as I see no point in allowing them to be taken home.

That way one would still be able to practice one's hobby without risking blood-shed.

[Sepp44]

it is a sort of power rush not to be under-estimated.

...is it pardon?

[shadow cup]

[quote=shadow cup]
Is it really about liberal gun laws or just plain hard cash,the gun lobby and the arms manufacturers of which Uzi(the israeli weapon) does very nicely thank you.


Sash is a major motivator. It is unaccountable... anonymous... nobody cares how you made it for as long as they cannot track the purchases to you. Money is a lower-level (read-not less important) problem.


Especially within the negroe communities in the US.Washington,Detroit and Los Angeles to name but a few.


A more accurate (though still sweeping) blame categorization would be any communities, group identities or individuals influenced directly or indirectly by the ghetto culture that has sprouted and prevails in the US.


A good life without having to do an honest days work.Drug crime etc etc etc ad nauseum in the case of AmeriKa.Sadly,Britain is going the same way although there is a total ban on ALL firearms in Britain.


Britain has not enough control of its territory. As for drugs, work and honesty - I'd like to see the day when they could all be used in the same sentence positively and in reference to an actual reality.


It is the 'right to bear arms'.As in the Waco incident,that may even include M 16's.Why the AmeriKans are even proud of the fact that they now manufacture their own 'Kalashnikovs'.Great for armed robberies as witnessed on prime time TV in cuckoo land where two white honkies armed with Kalashnikovs took on the county police force.Hollywitz,why they even made a movie out of it.Matters not that people died.Money,money,money.


The 'right to bear arms' works but leaves too many kinks in the armour. This shooting incident is one such kink gone wrong.


The thing is SC,the people havn't figured out what their own govt is doing.They use the weapons on each other.


I would like to see the prospect of a violent revolution averted through the existence of non-violent means for the people to govern their own destinies.


Correct! SOMEONE has to pull the trigger.Without a trigger finger,a perp,the weapon is but a useless piece of metal with no function.It is the human being element that makes it a lethal weapon 1,2,3,and 4.Just ask Mel!


With a blade one has to be stabbed several times. With a blunt object it takes a number of heavy blows. While a gun makes suffering a less drawn-out process other methods allow for a better chance of survival.

And after all, is it necessary to kill?


Anyway,think about the money to be made in this sad episode by the ambulance chasers or in these kinds of tragedies,the jewish medical profession.The psycho-therapists of the Klein,Berg and Hoffman ilk will make a fortune.


Acknowledged but these are symptoms rather than causes, unless you count money itself.


Lets all gather around for a group hug:rolleyes:Let it all out!I'll book you in fro 100 sessions.Yes,I do take AmeriKKKAN Express.That will do nicely.(sorry)


Sorry, do you take smart card? ;cP


Sorry for the flippancy but these events no longer have 'shock' value in my grey matter.50 plus people die everyday in Iraq so Amerikan colleges where lovesick puppies and boys with big chips on little shoulders do their dirty deeds do not move me.


I am sure that you have seen worse. Charity starts from home and so does discipline. If one cannot control one's actions at home then how is one to conduct oneself honourably upon the battlefield? Indeed, why should there even be a battlefield where disagreements are settled with hundreds of thousands of lives? ~_~;;;


Check out the film 'Bowling for Columbine'.The producer Michael Moore addresses the issue of guns,bullets, schools,Walmart,and even Charlton Heston ,president(or was) of the North AmeriKan Rifle Association.Judah Ben Hur was a real man.Charlton(the only other Charlton I know has FC after its' name)is a gimpy fag Hollywitz has been.

I watched it - Moore highlighted a few of the inequities in the american scene and the manipulation behind the scene.

[rodolfo]

Naaah..gun possession doesn't equal gun related crimes...what should be done is really make it difficult to get the guns which is not the case in the US.

On an unrelated subject...where do you guys hold the BBQ? Dwejra near mgarr??



Yes... well it is hardly a surprise considering the number of shotguns the hunters require for their hobby...

This might be one of the reasons why the shotgun, sawn or not, is a relatively popular weapon in hold-ups on the Maltese Islands.

Rudolfo, I can certainly understand where you are coming from here. I have not got a lot of experience (mostly at fairs) but can say that even I myself would find the feel of a firearm in my hands to be desirable in a way - it is a sort of power rush not to be under-estimated. Still... such power comes with grave responsibilities which is why I am of the opinion that only members of the defense forces/ police/ military ought to be given permission possess a fire-arm, and with a strict limit in personal ammunition.

Shooting ranges would be a positive step but would need to be of the indoor variety, high security and also serving as a cache of firearms as I see no point in allowing them to be taken home.

That way one would still be able to practice one's hobby without risking blood-shed.

[shadow cup]

...is it pardon?
To acknowledge a power (even that over other's lives or, in this case, blocks of wood at a fair) is a responsibility. Anybody in the world with a gun can technically eschew their responsibility, pick the gun up and cause mayhem.

It is the primal core that bids us to give in to such temptations - to take that which we desire by force. Of course then there is the 'small' matter of ethics. 9_9 ^_~

There are several categories. Those who give in to their desire to use their advantages to screw others for their own profit and those who do not.

[Sepp44]

To acknowledge a power (even that over other's lives or, in this case, blocks of wood at a fair) is a responsibility. Anybody in the world with a gun can technically eschew their responsibility, pick the gun up and cause mayhem.

It is the primal core that bids us to give in to such temptations - to take that which we desire by force. Of course then there is the 'small' matter of ethics. 9_9 ^_~

There are several categories. Those who give in to their desire to use their advangages to screw others for their own profit and those who do not.

...but does one need a gun?Why do some folk feel they must own a firearm?Self protection (as in the USA).Criminal intentions (as in the UK).Sport????Hunting????The 'gun' was designed for one purpose only.To kill!AmeriKa lost the plot years ago when the American people lost control of their own nation.AmeriKan society is a sick society.And what about the damage done in Africa where tribal values hold sway and power is the gun?

Arms is big bucks.MTV, Ben'n' jerry losers are the prey of Smith & Wesson,Colt,Glock and the rest of big business.I don't see 'honourable' jews having punch ups with Palestinians.Their 'honour' is shooting children in the head with their brand new Tavors.

[etoile noir]

Naaah..gun possession doesn't equal gun related crimes...
hmmm much like a pencil being responsible for spelling mistakes :rolleyes:

On an unrelated subject...where do you guys hold the BBQ? Dwejra near mgarr??
at the sacred spot (btt)

[shadow cup]

...but does one need a gun?


One only needs a gun if one faces a gun. Should one face a gun in the first place? Only if one has a gun.


Why do some folk feel they must own a firearm?Self protection (as in the USA).Criminal intentions (as in the UK).Sport????Hunting????The 'gun' was designed for one purpose only.To kill!


Precisely. Killing without purpose is one of the most senseless things that one can come across. In nature the vast majority of kills are sustenance-related. They have purpose.


AmeriKa lost the plot years ago when the American people lost control of their own nation.AmeriKan society is a sick society.And what about the damage done in Africa where tribal values hold sway and power is the gun?


Again you are correct. Regular Americans do not possess the responsibility or the maturity to possess a firearm. To bear a melee weapon requires only a little less of each.

The same applies to Africans except that there are less checks and balances to restore order.


Arms is big bucks.MTV, Ben'n' jerry losers are the prey of Smith & Wesson,Colt,Glock and the rest of big business.I don't see 'honourable' jews having punch ups with Palestinians.Their 'honour' is shooting children in the head with their brand new Tavors.

There is no honour in blowing the self up in a market place either. I do think that Isreali-Palestinian punch-ups would be preferable to the current situation.

[Sepp44]

Gun Control
vs. Gun Rights
THE ISSUE
The debate over gun ownership is centered on the Second Amendment to the Constitution, which protects "the right of the people to keep and bear arms." Gun control advocates believe that right does not extend to ownership of military-style firearms that are otherwise known as assault weapons. They point to incidents such as the Columbine high school massacre in April 1999, which resulted in the deaths of 14 students (including the two gunmen) and a teacher, in support of banning assault weapons. They also support measures intended to curb gun-related violence, such as mandatory child safety locks, background checks on those wishing to purchase a gun, limits on the number of guns a person can buy and raising the age limit for gun ownership.
Gun rights groups, led by the National Rifle Association (http://www.nra.org/), argue that these and other proposals infringe on the constitutional rights of law-abiding citizens. They maintain that bans on the sale of certain types of weapons have not proved effective in reducing violent crime, and that proposals for stricter background checks at gun shows are designed to eliminate gun shows themselves. Some gun manufacturers have volunteered support for safety locks, but the NRA has criticized safety locks for placing an undue burden on gun manufacturers without a proven benefit to the public.
HOW IT MAY AFFECT YOU
At the forefront of the debate over guns is the assault weapons ban that went into effect in 1994. The ban, which was part of a larger anti-crime bill passed by Congress and signed by President Clinton that year, applies to 19 specific models of semi-automatic firearms and to other guns with assault-weapon features. The ban expired Sept. 13, 2004, and gun rights groups were pressing Congress to allow the ban to lapse. Gun control advocates responded with a massive public relations campaign encouraging voters to tell their elected representatives that Congress should renew the ban. The issue has become a hot potato in a presidential election year, with President Bush and Sen. John Kerry taking positions designed not to infuriate voters on either side of the debate. Bush said he supports an extension, but gun control advocates accused him of failing to pressure Congress into action. Kerry announced his support for extending the ban, even as his campaign sought to boost the Democratic presidential nominee's credentials as a gun owner and hunter.
Republican congressional leaders say the ban was allowed to lapse because gun control advocates in the House and Senate did not have enough votes to extend it. They may be right. Most Republicans in Congress oppose an extension, and Democrats were far from united in support of preserving the ban. Democrats representing rural areas kept mum on the issue, perhaps mindful of their constituents' sensitivity to gun control measures. In addition, some Democrats believe their support of the assault weapons ban cost them control of the House and Senate in 1994, and that the gun control issue hurt Al Gore's standing in key states during the 2000 presidential election.
THE MONEY
If lawmakers are guilty of tiptoeing around gun control issues, it is because the NRA and other gun rights groups wield an enormous amount of influence in Washington. The source of that influence is money. Gun rights groups have given more than $17 million (http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.asp?Ind=Q13) in individual, PAC and soft money contributions to federal candidates and party committees since 1989. Nearly $15 million, or 85 percent of the total, has gone to Republicans. The National Rifle Association is by far the gun rights lobby's biggest donor, having contributed more than $14 million (http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.asp?ID=D000000082&Name=National+Rifle+Assn) over the past 15 years. Gun control advocates, meanwhile, contribute far less money than their rivals -- a total of nearly $1.7 million (http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.asp?Ind=Q12) since 1989, of which 94 percent went to Democrats. The leading contributor among gun control advocates is the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence (http://www.bradycampaign.org/), formerly known as Handgun Control, which has given $1.5 million over the past 15 years. If gun rights groups have a substantial advantage in campaign contributions, they dominate gun control advocates in the area of lobbying (http://www.opensecrets.org/news/guns/lobbying.htm). The NRA alone spent nearly $11 million lobbying elected and government officials from 1997 to 2003. But it wasn't the gun rights lobby's biggest spender. That was Gun Owners of America (http://www.gunowners.org/), which spent more than $18 million on lobbing over the same period. By contrast, the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence spent under $2 million on lobbying from 1997 to 2003, and the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence (http://www.csgv.org/) spent $580,000.
The National Rifle Association has an additional advantage over all other groups in the debate. As a membership organization, the NRA can spend unlimited funds on communications to its 4 million members that identify pro-gun candidates. Those members also contribute millions of dollars in limited donations to the NRA's political action committee, which runs ads aimed at the general public that expressly advocate the election or defeat of a federal candidate. Since 1989, the NRA has spent more than $22 million on communications costs and independent expenditures (http://www.opensecrets.org/news/guns/IndepExpend.htm), with more than $18 million spent in support of Republican candidates.
ANALYSIS OF PRIOR CONGRESSIONAL VOTE The Center did the following analysis of votes on gun control proposals that Congress considered after the Columbine massacre in 1999. The results shed light on the relationship between campaign contributions and the way lawmakers voted on the issue.
Senate: Just weeks after the Colorado school shooting, Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott (R-Miss.), approved immediate floor consideration of S. 254, the Senate Juvenile Justice Bill. The bill, ultimately amended to include tough provisions on background checks and safety locks, was approved by a vote of 73-25.
However, senators voted three times on proposed background checks at gun shows, first voting against a three-day waiting period, then approving a 24-hour waiting period, then giving final approval to the mandatory three-day background check. [see Senate vote chart (http://www.opensecrets.org/news/guns/vote_sen.htm)]

House: The House rejected legislation loaded with gun control provisions similar to those approved by the Senate. However, House Republican leaders split the gun debate into two separate pieces of legislation –- one focusing on youth culture and violent crime and another specifically dealing with gun shows. Among the more contentious points of debate, gun-rights backers passed an amendment limiting gun show background checks to 24 hours, rather than the Senate-approved mandate of three days. The provision meant that if a background check on a potential gun buyer was not completed within 24 hours, the sale would be approved automatically. Discontent with that amendment –- among gun-control advocates who viewed it as too weak and gun-rights advocates who thought it went too far –- led to the bill's demise.
The House voted 218-211 in favor of the amendment that would limit background checks at gun shows to 24 hours. In a 193-235 vote, lawmakers voted down the amendment that would have mandated a three-day waiting period. The House vote to kill was 280-147. [See House vote chart (http://www.opensecrets.org/news/guns/vote_hse_name.htm)].


http://www.opensecrets.org/news/guns/index.htm (http://www.opensecrets.org/news/guns/index.htm)

[Neverwinter]

It is times like these that I question the wisdom of liberal gun laws...

I mean, to allow gun ownership simply encourages gun-related crimes. And all for what? The right to bear sidearms? Where is the responsibility?

If side-arms are indeed the peoples' way of keeping control of their own lives in the face of an increasingly oppressive government then perhaps ownership should be limited to localized police units under the direct control of the local governance of the area.

Guns make killing too easy. Point, pull the trigger, feel the kick and watch the body drop... There is no honour in the matter... only death. ~_~SC,
I am the owner of 4 firearms. 2 rifles and 2 pistols. A simple question will suffice...
If your govt is out of control and doing things harmful to you and yours...it continually gets worse...would you rather have a means to protect yourself and those you love when the shite hits the fan or would you rely on your ideal? The answer is rather simple. I am training myself to deal with different contingencies. If I shoot someone it will be to kill them. Firearms are not toys at all. I totally agree with that. However, to allow law enforcement to have monopoly on firearms is insane. If law enforcement becomes the problem...then where are you left if you cannot defend yourself against them? I do not need to go into the situation of roving savages raping and plundering....
N

[shadow cup]

SC,
I am the owner of 4 firearms. 2 rifles and 2 pistols. A simple question will suffice...
If your govt is out of control and doing things harmful to you and yours...it continually gets worse...would you rather have a means to protect yourself and those you love when the shite hits the fan or would you rely on your ideal? The answer is rather simple. I am training myself to deal with different contingencies. If I shoot someone it will be to kill them. Firearms are not toys at all. I totally agree with that. However, to allow law enforcement to have monopoly on firearms is insane. If law enforcement becomes the problem...then where are you left if you cannot defend yourself against them? I do not need to go into the situation of roving savages raping and plundering....
N

If I were to have possession of 2 rifles and 2 pistols and were to be placed in a situation where their use was becoming more necessary I'd have several questions of my own to ask.

Why and how did the situation come about?

Where were the bleeding heart idealists when the forces of state were sliding towards chaos?

Why did the local defence force turn on the self? Why are they held accountable to national government?

How did the government become so vertical in nature so as to force myself to consider the purchase of these weapons to be necessary?

Would each pull of the trigger be necessary? Would every target be 'out to get me'? Would I be part of the solution of become a part of the problem?

Where lie the core problems that play their part beneath the circumstance that is?

...Yes... many questions.

[wiking]

Neverwinter and shadow cup, that is just what Norman meant. If the authorities, who were made authorities specifically for the express purpose of taking care of the nation including protection of its citizens, will not do this job, then someone else will do the job in its stead, BUT AS HE SEES FIT. That's the crux, as he sees fit and not necessarily the way government sees it. In my view, in these degenerate times, it is that individual's right to defend himself and his own, no argument about it. Just like a she-bear defending its cubs.

[Eurodip]

There's not an ounce of sense in this debate you're having. Swiss citizens are required to keep their army-issue rifle at home, and that's a full assault rifle, mind you. Look at Swiss gun crime statistics and then come back with an answer.

On a side note, I expect judicial-inc.biz to come up with the usual silly conspiracy theory about a Zionist plot to erode American gun rights.

[shadow cup]

Wiking, the case for individual gun ownership would be very good if every individual were capable of doing so with responsibility. This is clearly not the case.

On the other hand I do understand the perspective of Neverwinter that to depend upon central Government would be to invite a personal resignation of control of one's destiny to this same Government.

Neither of these situations are desirable in my opinion. An alternative would be a pan-regional defence force that are, for the most part, administrated and funded locally while coordinated (for the purposes of training and emergency-reaction) upon the level of State.

I do acknowledge that there are individuals out there who are perfectly capable of owning and handling a fire-arm without posing a menacing threat to society. The primary reason why I am reluctant to principally grant the individual rights to possess firearms lies in the potential dangers of one individual going awry.

I do think that the only way to get around this is to require individuals to earn their licence in a fashion similar to how individuals earn their driving licence - Neither should be a walk in the park and both should involve a certain commitment.

Furthermore I'd still favour the concept of a localized defence force. Does a person wish to purchase a gun to defend his family? Fine - but one must become a member of the defence force (within which the individual would hopefully learn to respect the responsibilities of possessing a firearm, and other such things). Does the person not want to pitch in a few hours a week? Then the person may only practice at the firing range and not actually possess a personal weapon at home as such indicates a lack of commitment. Should an emergency arise then volunteers from this group may collect their personal but cached weapons from their local secure range.

[IMPERIUM]

There's not an ounce of sense in this debate you're having. Swiss citizens are required to keep their army-issue rifle at home, and that's a full assault rifle, mind you. Look at Swiss gun crime statistics and then come back with an answer.

On a side note, I expect judicial-inc.biz to come up with the usual silly conspiracy theory about a Zionist plot to erode American gun rights.
The Right to Bear Arms was enacted by Whites for Whites.
Even during the Wild West era: homicides were few:
as the people were responsibile and used guns for self defence only.

With the colouring of America:
with primitive Blacks having the right to bear arms, just as Whites -
it was inevitable that a national psychosis would set in.

In the coming Imperium all citizens would be required to stock arms.
As in Switzerland, Sweden and other evolved European countries:
this would pose no problem - since the problem is racial.

http://www.vivamalta.org/forum/archive/index.php?t-138.html

Imperium
0704

PS: There is a Zionist plot to disarm the American people.

[Sepp44]

On a side note, I expect judicial-inc.biz to come up with the usual silly conspiracy theory about a Zionist plot to erode American gun rights.

:confused:Au contraire ED.Chaos suits the Zionists very well thankyou.It also profits their interests.On a cynical note, the Blacksburg(that's a good un,Blacksburg) shootings has toppled Wolfowitz off prime time joo nooz.Will he go or will he stay?

[Sepp44]

Imperium
0704

PS: There is a Zionist plot to disarm the American people.



I disagree with this statement.I do not see how this would benefit them.

[Eurodip]

Well, seems it was a Korean student who did the shooting. You'd be hard pressed to find a Zionist link.

A word about gun ownership in Malta. I thought you had to be a member of a shooting club to be given a licence, unless you're a hunter of course. And the club doesn't just accept anyone. You have to be "in the inner circle", as it were.

[KAMIKAZE]

Personally I am against the possession of arms.

Ideally I think that only the Police and the Armed Forces should be armed.

Realistically when one is living in a country such as Malta where hold-ups and illegal immigrant crimes and extreme political corruption have become the order of the day, well then there is absolutely no choice whatsoever - it becomes a DUTY for the citizen to be armed against these criminals.

What worries me is that most of the Maltese are irresponsible. This is the ONLY matter with which I disagree with Norman.

I am more afraid of firearms than drugs.

[KAMIKAZE]

Ah, the joys of multiculturalism and the wonders of a multiracial society.

[etoile noir]

Well, seems it was a Korean student who did the shooting. You'd be hard pressed to find a Zionist link.
i told you yesterday that he was asian

[shadow cup]

i told you yesterday that he was asian

South Korean. I have to wonder if there lies a North Korean link in the incident.

No justification for a shooting incident but it always helps to gain an insite into the causes of such incidents as such may help prevent future incidents... hopefully.

[Eurodip]

South Korean. I have to wonder if there lies a North Korean link in the incident.

No justification for a shooting incident but it always helps to gain an insite into the causes of such incidents as such may help prevent future incidents... hopefully.

Oh I know what could have prevented the incident. The fellow just needed a girlfriend, that's all.

[shadow cup]

Oh I know what could have prevented the incident. The fellow just needed a girlfriend, that's all.

Do you think so?

Aparently the student had been through counselling and his creative writings were somehow considered disturbing. He also bore a grudge against "rich kids" and "deceitful charlatans", amongst others.

He might also have been taking medication for depression.

Not enough info by far...

[shadow cup]

A look at some of the victims killed in the Virginia Tech massacre:

Ross Abdallah Alameddine

Alameddine, 20, of Saugus, Mass., was a sophomore who had just declared English as his major.

Friends created a memorial page on Facebook.com that described Alameddine as "an intelligent, funny, easygoing guy."

"You're such an amazing kid, Ross," wrote Zach Allen, who along with Alameddine attended Austin Preparatory School in Reading, Mass. "You always made me smile, and you always knew the right thing to do or say to cheer anyone up."

Alameddine was killed in the classroom building, according to Robert Palumbo, a family friend who answered the phone at the Alameddine residence Tuesday.

Alameddine's mother, Lynnette Alameddine said she was outraged by how victims' relatives were notified of the shooting.

"It happened in the morning and I did not hear (about her son's death) until a quarter to 11 at night," she said. "That was outrageous. Two kids died, and then they shoot a whole bunch of them, including my son."

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Ryan Clark

Clark was called "Stack" by his friends, many of whom he met as a resident assistant at Ambler Johnson Hall, where the first shootings took place.

Clark, 22, was from Martinez, Ga., just outside Augusta. He was a fifth-year student working toward degrees in biology and English, and a member of the Marching Virginians band.

"He was just one of the greatest people you could possibly know," friend Gregory Walton, 25, said after learning from an ambulance driver that Clark was among the dead.

"He was always smiling, always laughing. I don't think I ever saw him mad in the five years I knew him."

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Daniel Perez Cueva

Perez Cueva, 21, from Peru, was killed while in a French class, said his mother, Betty Cueva, who was reached by telephone at the youth's listed telephone number.

Perez Cuevas as a student of international relations, according to the Virginia Tech Web site.

His father, Flavio Perez, spoke of the death earlier to RPP radio in Peru. He lives in Peru and said he was trying to obtain a humanitarian visa from the U.S. consulate here. He is separated from Cueva, who said she had lived in the United States for six years.

A spokesman at the U.S. Embassy in Lima said the student's father "will receive all the attention possible when he applies" for the visa.

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Kevin Granata

Granata, a professor of engineering science and mechanics, served in the military and later conducted orthopedic research in hospitals before coming to Virginia Tech, where he and his students researched muscle and reflex response and robotics.

The head of the school's engineering science and mechanics department called Granata one of the top five biomechanics researchers in the country working on movement dynamics in cerebral palsy.

Engineering professor Demetri P. Telionis said Granata was successful and kind.

"With so many research projects and graduate students, he still found time to spend with his family, and he coached his children in many sports and extracurricular activities," Telionis said. "He was a wonderful family man. We will all miss him dearly."

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Caitlin Hammaren

Hammaren, 19, of Westtown, N.Y., was a sophomore majoring in international studies and French, according to officials at her former school district.

"She was just one of the most outstanding young individuals that I've had the privilege of working with in my 31 years as an educator," said John P. Latini, principal of Minisink Valley High School, where she graduated in 2005. "Caitlin was a leader among our students."

Minisink Valley students and teachers shared their grief Tuesday at a counseling center set up in the school, Latini said.

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Emily Jane Hilscher

Hilscher, a freshman majoring in animal and poultry sciences, was known around her hometown as an animal lover.

"She worked at a veterinarian's office and cared about them her whole life," said Rappahannock County Administrator John W. McCarthy, a family friend.

Hilscher, 19, of Woodville, was a freshman majoring in animal and poultry sciences. She lived on the same dorm floor as victim Ryan Clark, McCarthy said.

A friend, Will Nachless, also 19, said Hilscher "was always very friendly. Before I even knew her, I thought she was very outgoing, friendly and helpful, and she was great in chemistry."

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Liviu Librescu

Librescu, an Israeli engineering and math lecturer, was known for his research, but his son said he will be remembered as a hero for protecting students as the gunman tried to enter his classroom.

Librescu taught at Virginia Tech for 20 years and had an international reputation for his work in aeronautical engineering.

"His research has enabled better aircraft, superior composite materials, and more robust aerospace structures," said Ishwar K. Puri, the head of the engineering science and mechanics department.

Librescu's son, Joe, said his father's students sent e-mails detailing how the professor saved their lives by blocking the doorway of his classroom from the approaching gunman before he was fatally shot.

"My father blocked the doorway with his body and asked the students to flee," Librescu's son, Joe Librescu, said Tuesday in a telephone interview from his home outside of Tel Aviv. "Students started opening windows and jumping out."

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G.V. Loganathan

Loganathan was born in the southern Indian city of Chennai and had been a civil and environmental engineering professor at Virginia Tech since 1982.

Loganathan, 51, won several awards for excellence in teaching, had served on the faculty senate and was an adviser to about 75 undergraduate students.

"We all feel like we have had an electric shock. We do not know what to do," his brother G.V. Palanivel told the NDTV news channel from the southern Indian state of Tamil Nadu. "He has been a driving force for all of us, the guiding force."

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Mary Karen Read

Read was born in
South Korea into an Air Force family and lived in Texas and California before settling in the northern Virginia suburb of Annandale.

Read, 19, considered a handful of colleges, including nearby George Mason University, before choosing Virginia Tech. It was a popular destination among her Annandale High School classmates, according to her aunt Karen Kuppinger.

She had yet to declare a major.

"I think she wanted to try to spread her wings," said Kuppinger, of Rochester, N.Y.

Kuppinger said her niece had struggled adjusting to Tech's sprawling 2,600-acre campus. But she had recently begun making friends and looking into a sorority.

Kuppinger said the family started calling Read as news reports surfaced.

"After three or four hours passed and she hadn't picked up her cell phone or answered her e-mail ... we did get concerned," Kuppinger said. "We honestly thought she would pop up."

(A previous version of this story referred incorrectly to Martinez, Ga., as an Atlanta suburb. It is a suburb of Augusta.)

Source (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070417/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_victim_vignettes_2)

[Eurodip]

Do you think so?

Aparently the student had been through counselling and his creative writings were somehow considered disturbing. He also bore a grudge against "rich kids" and "deceitful charlatans", amongst others.

He might also have been taking medication for depression.

Not enough info by far...

Yeah well, in a word, he was single.

[Marco Polo]

the right to bear arms is essential to the protection of american liberty. i saw the headlines on richard murdochs daily mail today asking what price the right to bear arms was and was infuriated.

guns dont kill people, people do. why werent the guns locked up? they are there to shoot agents of a tyrannical government and not as a penis extention. the second amendment exists to protect the first.

[IMPERIUM]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/17/vtech.shooting/index.html

"As of midday Tuesday, officials were still releasing the names of those killed, which include a marching band member from Georgia and an Israeli Holocaust survivor who headed the engineering and science department." (Full story (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/17/vtech.shooting.victims/index.html))

They just have to drum in their damned HolyHoax!
They can't help it - it is their nature.
Eternally Jewish!

Imperium
0704

[shadow cup]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/17/vtech.shooting/index.html

"As of midday Tuesday, officials were still releasing the names of those killed, which include a marching band member from Georgia and an Israeli Holocaust survivor who headed the engineering and science department." (Full story (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/17/vtech.shooting.victims/index.html))

They just have to drum in their damned HolyHoax!
They can't help it - it is their nature.
Eternally Jewish!

Imperium
0704

Liviu Librescu

Librescu, an Israeli engineering and math lecturer, was known for his research, but his son said he will be remembered as a hero for protecting students as the gunman tried to enter his classroom.

Librescu taught at Virginia Tech for 20 years and had an international reputation for his work in aeronautical engineering.

"His research has enabled better aircraft, superior composite materials, and more robust aerospace structures," said Ishwar K. Puri, the head of the engineering science and mechanics department.

Librescu's son, Joe, said his father's students sent e-mails detailing how the professor saved their lives by blocking the doorway of his classroom from the approaching gunman before he was fatally shot.

"My father blocked the doorway with his body and asked the students to flee," Librescu's son, Joe Librescu, said Tuesday in a telephone interview from his home outside of Tel Aviv. "Students started opening windows and jumping out."

-----

If true.... then this Jew is a credit to his race as he did not act selfishly in my opinion...

[IMPERIUM]

http://www.timesofmalta.com/core/article.php?id=breaking

Virginia Tech massacre 'senseless tragedy' – Pope
[17/04/2007 - 15:54]
Pope Benedict believes the US university shooting that left 33 people dead was a 'senseless tragedy' and is praying for the victims and their families, the Vatican said. The Pope expressed his condolences in a telegram sent in his name to Bishop Francis X. DiLorenzo of Richmond, Virginia. 'Deeply saddened by news of the shooting at Virginia Tech, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI has asked me to convey the assurance of his heartfelt prayers for the victims, their families and for the entire school community,' said the telegram, sent by Secretary of State Cardinal Tarciscio Bertone. 'In the aftermath of this senseless tragedy he asks God our father to console all those who mourn and to grant them that spiritual strength which triumphs over violence by the power of forgiveness, hope and reconciling love,' it said.

And why didn't god console the mourners by preventing the tragedy?
And since when has forgiveness and hope triumphed over violence.
Christian cretinism that makes one cringe!

Imperim
0704

[Marco Polo]

Liviu Librescu

Librescu, an Israeli engineering and math lecturer, was known for his research, but his son said he will be remembered as a hero for protecting students as the gunman tried to enter his classroom.

Librescu taught at Virginia Tech for 20 years and had an international reputation for his work in aeronautical engineering.

"His research has enabled better aircraft, superior composite materials, and more robust aerospace structures," said Ishwar K. Puri, the head of the engineering science and mechanics department.

Librescu's son, Joe, said his father's students sent e-mails detailing how the professor saved their lives by blocking the doorway of his classroom from the approaching gunman before he was fatally shot.

"My father blocked the doorway with his body and asked the students to flee," Librescu's son, Joe Librescu, said Tuesday in a telephone interview from his home outside of Tel Aviv. "Students started opening windows and jumping out."

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If true.... then this Jew is a credit to his race as he did not act selfishly in my opinion...

well said

[Neverwinter]

Indeed SC and MP...

[Artist]

Police say his name was Cho Seung-Hui, and he was 23. He was a senior and an English major at Virginia Tech. He lived in one of the dormitories there. He was from South Korea. We stare at his picture and see an ordinary-looking young man with glasses looking back.
At this point, we don't know what kind of person he was, or what made him so angry. We do know, from witnesses and authorities, that he was very calm and composed as he slaughtered his fellow students and Tech faculty members.
We will learn more about this young man who allegedly killed 32 people, then himself, Monday morning in Blacksburg, Va. And there will be much, much more that we will never know. There are some things, however, that we can learn from those who have devoted decades to studying the minds of mass killers.
"I've spent 25 years studying this topic and written five books about it," says James Alan Fox, a professor of criminal justice at Northeastern University in Boston. He says there are a handful of factors that are common in almost all mass murders. There are things that go on in the minds of these killers that are consistent—from Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris at Columbine, to Charles C. Roberts IV (who shot 11 young girls in an Amish school in Pennsylvania), to the young man named Charles Whitman who climbed a tower at the University of Texas at Austin more than four decades ago and open fire, killing 16 people.
"Typically you have someone who has a long history of frustration and failure, failure in school, failure in relationships. They have a diminished capacity to cope with disappointment," Fox says.
"Secondly, they are people who blame others for those failures, they externalize blame, they never see themselves as responsible, they see others who didn't give them the right opportunities, the right breaks, and they're angry, they're full of blame and resentment."
The conventional wisdom that these people are "loners" is accurate. "They lack support systems in their lives, they tend to be isolated … They don't have close friends and family who can help them get through the hard times," Fox said.
Robert R. Butterworth is a Los Angeles psychologist who runs International Trauma Associates. He works with violent criminals to provide answers and insight.
"A lot of times these people are somewhat aloof from people. They're very sensitive to slights," he says. Things that wouldn't bother most of us become torture to these would-be killers. As Butterworth explains: "A lot of times they come from families where there's been some violence. … They're not friendly, they're usually socially inept, they have problems a lot of times with females and sometimes they have a fascination with guns."
But another expert cautions that mass murderers don't always share similar biographies. "There is no commonality in terms of background: Neighborhood, parents, race, education, economic status," says Stanton Samenow, a clinical psychologist and the author of the book Inside the Criminal Mind. He has been studying killers since 1970.
But Samenow agrees that all of them have a view of the world in which being in control of others is critical to their self-image. "These men interpret any affront or adversity very personally. It threatens their very sense of who they are. They think in extremes. … They are constantly angry at a world that, from their perspective, does not give them what they are due."
Fox points to other personality factors. There is usually some kind of precipitating event that pushes the killer over the edge and, in his twisted thinking, gives him no reason to go on with life.
"They don't care about living anymore but of course they want to get some sense of vengeance. They see themselves as a victim."
And why was the Virginia Tech killer so calm as he went from room to room, shooting down students and professors? "These are people who know right from wrong. They also know the potential consequences to themselves if they are caught," Samenow says. "When they commit the crime, they are certain about their course of action. They are deliberate and purposeful. They may have planned the crime well in advance. At the time they commit the crime, they are calm—having shut off all fear."
Suicide seems often to be the last act of mass murderers. That final moment may be their last way of staying in control. "I have been told by more than one offender that he would rather 'go down in a blaze of glory' than surrender," Samenow adds.
The issue that most experts agree on is always intricately woven into the fabric of these killers' lives: "They have access to …. a gun sufficiently powerful to kill a large body count," Fox says. "The more people they kill, the greater the level of satisfaction they feel and derive from the crime."
America's mass murderers include a long list of primarily men—who are angry, thousands of people who feel slighted or unappreciated. What is different about these men like Cho who explode into a rage that turns murderous?
There are several theories. One is that our society has changed for the worse in the last century. "There has been an eclipse of community," Fox says. "People don't tend to have supportive friends and neighbors like they did in earlier years. Neighborhoods are not as tight-knit. … People move around the country … and obviously weapons have changed."
Butterworth agrees. "We're developing a narcissistic, angry culture that, when crossed, are prone to attack."
Where are the parents in all of this? Many of them, Butterworth says, are not paying attention to their children. "We're so busy working. … We don't sit down with our kids and talk to them, we don't watch TV with them. The kids are in their own little rooms playing with their computers, their own little MySpaces and parents have no idea what's going on. We're all growing up separately."
Beyond that, many young people without close support from family perceive their peers as the most important people in their lives.
But there is a larger point. Fox points to the meanness and cruelty that has become ubiquitous in our society: "We've become much more of a competitive society. We admire the winners and we pity the losers. We have no tolerance for them. We ridicule them and vote them off the island. And we laugh at them when they can't sing, just like on American Idol."
"We have a very open society. For most of us, that is a good thing," says Samenow. "For the person with a criminal mentality, he or she takes advantage of that freedom."
What can be done to prevent this from happening again? Butterworth urges young people who know someone who seems angry and potentially violent to say something. Talk to school officials, parents or other adults. The unspoken rule among kids that "one must not snitch" must be overcome.
But in the end, experts can't provide clear instructions on how to identify potential killers and stop them before they pick up a weapon.
"Psychologists aren't going to give you any answer," Butterworth says. "My point is until we do know we have to make it much more difficult for these people to do what they do." If there aren't as many guns around, he says, maybe these crazy people can't destroy as many lives.
Melissa Segrest is a freelance writer and editor living in Austin, TX. She is the former deputy managing editor of USAToday.com and was assistant managing editor for the Austin American-Statesman and the Palm Beach Post.

[KAMIKAZE]

guns.......are there to shoot agents of a tyrannical government and not as a penis extention.

For that reason, I will never use a gun as I don't need extensions. :cool:

Besides, a tyrannical government may be thrown in the dustbin of history through a General Election.

[etoile noir]

what is most sickening about this whole sad episode is how the tv channels are giving him exactly what he wants.
i am not going to link to anyone or anything precisely because i refuse to give this moronic, suicidal, desperately insane murderer any more exposure.

every sodding news channel in every language is showing the sickening tapes and pictures he sent to fox news after he shot his first victims - 2 hours prior to shooting the other 29/30. sorry i lost track of exactly how many.

he filmed himself wearing his "combat clothes", armed with the same weapons he killed all those young people with.
he told everyone how selfish they all are and how "wicked" they were to him. he then said that he's going to win because he's "going to die like jesus" and have followers. ........ all true - thanks to the bloody senseless TV channels giving him airtime and sending out the message that if you want instant and never ending fame, go and shoot some people

disgusting! utterly reprehensible what lengths some news channels go to just for publicity. you make me sick. every parent of every child killed should sue their asses.

[Calypso]

I am sure that Peppi and Mark Montebello can explain this event in very simple terms.

Also prayers come cheap, even if they are the Pope's.

[Neverwinter]

The latest HTS talks about this event and what he says in relation to the shooter is rather interesting to say the least. Here is the link if anyone is interested:
Link (http://www.halturnershow.com/HTS-04-18-07.mp3)

[Neverwinter]

Source (http://www.wvwnews.net/printer.php?id=383)
Political Cesspool on Virginia Tech Massacre
2007-04-18

Gun Owners of America's Larry Pratt booked

The Political Cesspool announces that Larry Pratt, the Executive Director of the Gun Owners of America, will be joining us for a live interview on Thursday, April 19, beginning at 7:00 PM Central Time. Mr. Pratt was added to our schedule on short notice this week in light of the horrific events that took place on the campus of Virginia Tech.

Echoing our initial reaction which was conveyed on previous programs, Mr. Pratt believes that the senseless acts of murder committed by the young Asian man could have possibly been cut short, or averted altogether, had the student body been granted the right to defend themselves.

We are already seeing liberals howling for more "gun control," when in fact, the exact opposite measure might be the cure. You may read the Gun Owners of America's excellent press release below...

Virginia Tech Shooting -- Gun Bans Are The Problem, Not The Solution

“When will we learn that being defenseless is a bad defense,” asked Larry Pratt, Executive Director of Gun Owners of America?

“All the school shootings that have ended abruptly in the last ten years were stopped because a law-abiding citizen -- a potential victim -- had a gun,” Pratt said.

“The latest school shooting demands an immediate end to the gun-free zone law which leaves the nation’s schools at the mercy of madmen. It is irresponsibly dangerous to tell citizens that they may not have guns at schools. The Virginia Tech shooting shows that killers have no concern about a gun ban when murder is in their hearts.

“Not far from Virginia Tech a killer was stopped at the Appalachian School of Law when two students were able to go off campus to their vehicles and get their guns which they used to subdue the killer. Sadly, not even that awkward defense was available at Virginia Tech.

“Isn’t it interesting that Utah and Oregon are the only two states that allows faculty to carry guns on campus. And isn’t it interesting that you haven’t read about any school or university shootings in Utah or Oregon?. Why not? Because criminals don’t like having their victims shoot back at them,” Pratt said. “That’s why the American people want an end to this ineffective gun ban.”

Pollsters have found that 85% of Americans would find it appropriate for a principal or teacher to use “a gun at school to defend the lives of students” to stop a school massacre (Research 2000 poll).

The words of Virginia Tech spokesman, Larry Hincker, should be haunting him in the wake of the massacre at his school. Last year, a bill was killed in the Virginia legislature to enable those with concealed weapons permits to carry their guns at schools. Hincker said that “I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus.”

“Gun Owners of America has called on Congress to repeal its deadly law requiring gun free school zones,” said Pratt. “Likewise, the call has been made to state legislatures to enact legislation enabling people with concealed carry permits to be able to have their weapons with them in schools.”

-GOA-

Listen to Larry Pratt discuss these ideas in more detail when he appears as our on-air guest this Thursday, April 19. The Political Cesspool, America's premier conservative-populist radio program, can be heard each weeknight beginning at 7:00 PM Central Standard Time on AM 1380 WLRM. The live internet stream located on our website makes our programs, and our acclaimed guests, available to listeners around the world.

Gun Owners of America is the only no-compromise pro-gun lobby in Washington, D.C. For more information about this outstanding organization, please visit their website: www.gunowners.org

[IMPERIUM]

The Virginia Tech Massacre: Racial Disharmony at Work Posted by admin on: 2007-04-20 07:05:00 in category: General [ Print (http://www.natallnews.com/printer.php?id=4820)]
http://www.natallnews.com/images/teaser/cho_gun_point.jpg By Dr. Ian S Gale -- Over the past week, we have been treated to an unending heart-rending, hand-wringing outpouring from the dominant Jewish media about the killer on the Virginia Tech campus, who was Korean.
This case gives as good an object lesson as can be imagined why those of us in the National Alliance want separation of the races. Of course, the media concentrates on the killer's "troubled mind" and "mental illness" without specifying exactly what the "trouble" or "illness" was.
As a practicing psychiatrist for over 17 years, this writer has dealt with many Orientals including Koreans, and his observation has been that Koreans ESPECIALLY are in the main, judgmental, autocratic, and officious.
This does not mean they are "bad," but simply "different" and not well-equipped to live in constant close association with free-wheeling Westerners.
The dominant media has told us this lad left writings in which he decried the "debauchery" and "hedonism," he saw, but they have carefully avoided giving us any specific examples. Instead they have concentrated, as might be expected, on calling for "more security on campuses" and "more gun control."
Cho's distaste for the "debauchery" and "hedonism" he saw all around him reminds this writer of muslims who call this country "The Great Satan" and Russians who have said the only culture they have received from United States since the collapse of the Soviet Union has been a "huge sewer pipe."
If we are honest with ourselves, we well know there is a lot of truth in these words. The Jews have turned our male/female roles upside down, pressed for inter-racial dating and uncommitted sex, abortion on demand, marriage between pervert sodomites and pushed pornography until most entertainment which is readily available to children could not be shown in public when I was a youngster. It is even offensive to many adults.
Had this been a White youngster who ran amok in a crowd of Asians, Blacks, or Jews, the media wouldn't be scratching its collective head and wondering what went wrong. The Jewish dominant media would be crying with one voice about the "racism" in America and the "hate."
It's time we did some house-cleaning in this country.


The suicide of a people when they are made into a melting pot:
where you don't have a people, a Nation: but a hodge potch of peoples -
a stew of conflicting bloods, values, traditions and tastes.

The betrayal and surrender of all that our ancestors painfully achieved over thousands of years.
The betrayal of all that which gave reason to live on earth.
The betrayal of a Race.

An Imperium for Europids only!
An Imperium with sealed borders.
Imperium Europa!

Imperium
0704

[Neverwinter]

Source (http://www.davidduke.com/general/2077_2077.html#more-2077)

Where Cho was Taught to Hate
By David Duke
4/25/2007

Can you kill a White man…
Can a ****** kill
Can you shoot straight and
Fire for good measure
Can you splatter their brains in the street
Can you kill them ******
– From the poetry of Nikki Giovanni, one of Cho’s teachers at Virginia Tech

The media has been talking incessantly about the motivations of mass murderer Seung Hui Cho at Virginia Tech. But, few in media have dared to speak about what drove this Korean student to the intense hatred that led to the gory deaths of 32 students and faculty. Did race play a part in this worse mass killing in American history?

There is no question that at least part of the motivation of the Korean immigrant came from his alienation of living in a society where he felt he did not fit in. Multiculturalism produced by massive immigration creates incredible amounts of alienation in any society that suffers from it. Alienation increases in both the immigrants and in the indigenous populations as well.

Endemic ethnic conflict is true in Rwanda with its different ethnic tribes periodically committing genocide against each other, or in Palestine with the introduction of great numbers of supremacist Jews into an Arab society, or in the streets of New York or London, or for that matter, in the dormitories, classrooms and hallways of Virginia Tech. The more multicultural and multiracial a society becomes the less the sense of belonging in every group which has in fact become a minority. Immigrants themselves generally come from a society where they are part of a fundamental cultural, religious and ethnic majority to nations where they become a minority of race and culture and are usually near the bottom of the social and economic structure.

Ironically, a significant portion of immigrants themselves are escaping from ethnic, religious, turmoil in their own nations of origin. For instance, the federal government has just increased immigration quotas for Iraqis to come to the United States. Iraqis are themselves coming to America because of ethnic and religious conflict. One must look not much further than the Kurdish-Arab and the Sunni-Shia conflicts, conflicts that have produced the impetus of immigration from Iraq in the first place. America somehow seeks to alleviate the nefarious effects of ethnic conflicts around the world by sewing the seeds of it here.

Iraq is hardly the only nation where ethnic and religious conflict arises. It is the biggest source of conflict and hatred all over the world. You can see it in the recent ethnically driven riots in Paris and London. And the USA has had more than its share of race riots, anger, racial hatred, and racial violence over the years.

One may plaintively ask as Rodney King did, “Why can’t we all just get along?” but the fact of life is that in general we simply don’t get along. Because we don’t recognize, and even honor the differences among peoples dooms us to conflict and hate.

Recognition of the reality of deep ethnic differences affords us the opportunity to avoid the horrendous and inevitable societal problems produced by uncontrolled immigration and multiculturalism. We must begin to understand that every nation has a right to preserve their unique ethnic identity, culture, religious expression, art, and tradition. Nations where the people share a common heritage, culture, and tradition find love and brotherhood far more attainable.

Also, the failure to recognize human differences and sovereignty leads to Universalist religions and of ideologies such as globalism and interventionism that lessen human diversity and freedom. For such models suggest that the different human races have no unique qualities but are just pieces of plastic to be molded in quest of some political, economic or religious vision. It is the basis for every totalitarian repression and a major justification of war.

Although the multiculturalists preach incessantly about the enrichment and love that will emerge from a multiracial society, in reality ethnic conflict has been the greatest source of violence, civil and international war, and hatred than any other single cause on earth. Multiracialism and multiculturalism, despite the media poster depictions of light and dark hands interlocked in friendship and love, generates incredible amounts of alienation, frustration, hatred and yes, violence. Nations composed of people that are similar to each other in culture, religion, shared history, and even in personality and genetic traits, tend to be more stable, the more adjusted and comfortable, less alienated in a nation that better fits their unique character.

Increasing numbers of alienated people are like explosives waiting for someone to light their fuse. Seung Cho’s fuse was lit by minority attitudes that legitimize hatred, even violence against America and ultimately the White people who built it. At Virginia Tech and every other university in the United States there is an incessant mantra complaining of “White privilege” and “White racism.” Check out the blogs and the statements of major organizations on almost any American campus. Any individual fault, shortcoming, or even crime is laid at the doorstep of White people.

As the fine writer, Steve Sailor wrote in recounting the words of an anonymous commentator, “I wonder how many times Cho heard the phrase ‘white privilege’ while he was in college?”

In fact, Cho’s presence at Virginia Tech is proof that there is no longer any “White privilege” in America. Cho was an English major at VT and one only has to read his papers to quickly realize that his talents in the English language were appalling poor. Does anyone not believe that better-qualified European American students would have more competently filled his chair in the English classes he took? In fact, Virginia Tech and all major universities in the United States have programs that blatantly discriminate against European Americans in admissions, graduate programs, and in the hiring of teachers and professors. Every White college graduate in English knows of the discrimination existing in graduate programs, and once the White student achieves a PhD he faces an uphill battle in finding a professorship. The great majority of universities are seeking to improve their minority teacher ratio. This quest for increased minority faculty will often count for more than the better grades and evaluations of White students and the fact that many of them come from higher-rated academic institutions.

The discrimination against European Americans can even be found in the news coverage of the tragic murders at Virginia Tech. At the present time I am lecturing in Europe, but I can tune in on the American media by way of CNN International. When I heard about the killings I tuned in and watched an hour wrap up of the coverage that evening. Although the overwhelming majority of the slain students and faculty (22 out of 32) were European Americans, a majority of the broadcast centered on an Israeli and an African American victim. The overwhelming majority of the coverage centered a Jewish victim of the shooting, a Holocaust survivor who was touted as a hero, (for trying to block the door with other students to keep Cho out of his room. CNN showed extensive interviews with his family in Israel. The other victim covered extensively was the lone male African American victim and again heartfelt interviews with his family and friends were aired. On the broadcast no other victim’s family rated any interviews.

Librescu and Clark were mentioned in over 4,000 stories in national and international media listed on Google News. In comparison, Michael Pohl, a European American, former member of the VT football and Lacrosse team, who even after he was mortally wounded courageously fought to block the attacker, received only 540 mentions in a Google News search.

One of Cho’s teachers in his English department at VT is the “celebrated” Nikki Giovanni. The following are words from the poetry of this Black racist, radical feminist, Marxist “poet” at Virginia Tech. Not only is her poetry at the intellectual level of a twelve year old, it is imbued with vicious racial hatred against White people and makes a call for Black people to shed their role of “******” and become “real Black men” by… murdering White people. Here is an excerpt from “The True Import of Present Dialog, Black vs. Negro.”

Can you kill a White man…
Can a ****** kill
Can you shoot straight and
Fire for good measure
Can you splatter their brains in the street
Can you kill them ******

Here is the entire poem in its original error-filled English and its full-blown hatred:

Can you kill
Can you kill
Can a ****** kill
Can a ****** kill a honkie
Can a ****** kill the Man
Can you kill ******
Huh? ****** can you
kill
Do you know how to draw blood
Can you poison
Can you stab-a-Jew
Can you kill huh? ******
Can you kill
Can you run a protestant down with your
‘68 El Dorado
(that’s all they’re good for anyway)
Can you kill
Can you piss on a blond head
Can you cut it off
Can you kill
A ****** can die
We ain’t got to prove we can die
We got to prove we can kill
They sent us to kill
Japan and Africa
We policed europe (sic)
Can you kill
Can you kill a white man
Can you kill the ******
in you
Can you make your ****** mind
die
Can you kill your ****** mind
And free your black hands to
strangle
Can you kill
Can a ****** kill
Can you shoot straight and
Fire for good measure
Can you splatter their brains in the street
Can you kill them
Can you lure them to bed to kill them
We kill in Viet Nam
for them
We kill for UN & NATO & SEATO & US
And everywhere for all alphabet (sic) but
BLACK
Can we learn to kill WHITE for BLACK
Learn to kill ******s
Learn to be Black men

After reading this racist call to hate and murder by Cho’s esteemed teacher, Nikki Giovanni, can you guess who was given the honor of delivering the closing remarks at the memorial service on campus for the slain 32 students and faculty? It was, of course, the same person who has advocated “…shoot straight… and splatter their brains in the street.”

I can illustrate the double standard very easily by the media treatment of Professor Giovanni and me. Not only have I never advocated violence or hate against anyone, I have never advocated discrimination against truly better-qualified Black people in jobs or promotions or scholarships or college admissions or any other positions that they have earned by merit.

Yet, because I consistently advocate equal rights for all I am branded as a racist and hater, and the media consistently calls my site, http://www.davidduke.com/ a “hate site.” (Even though I am a former member of the House of Representatives in Louisiana and my site offers well-reasoned, non-violent and thoughtful political and social commentary, it is filtered and blocked by many institutions).

Nikki Giovanni on the other hand is effusively praised by the media and even given the honored closing remarks in the campus memorial service although she literally has openly and brutally advocated exactly what Cho actually did.

The national media has not breathed a word about where Cho learned to hate, from the very same teacher and from the very same institution that now buries 32 of its own.

[IMPERIUM]

The discrimination against European Americans can even be found in the news coverage of the tragic murders at Virginia Tech. At the present time I am lecturing in Europe, but I can tune in on the American media by way of CNN International. When I heard about the killings I tuned in and watched an hour wrap up of the coverage that evening. Although the overwhelming majority of the slain students and faculty (22 out of 32) were European Americans, a majority of the broadcast centered on an Israeli and an African American victim. The overwhelming majority of the coverage centered a Jewish victim of the shooting, a Holocaust survivor who was touted as a hero, (for trying to block the door with other students to keep Cho out of his room. CNN showed extensive interviews with his family in Israel. The other victim covered extensively was the lone male African American victim and again heartfelt interviews with his family and friends were aired. On the broadcast no other victim’s family rated any interviews.

The media - the Jewish media!
As Marco Polo says: we have to have our own media - for we shall never be treated fairly.
We shall yet win this battle of the media, as well.

Imperium
0704

[etoile noir]

The media - the Jewish media!
i guess you missed this part:
Do you know how to draw blood
Can you poison
Can you stab-a-Jew
Can you kill huh? ******
Can you kill.......

[Marco Polo]

Source (http://www.wvwnews.net/printer.php?id=383)
Political Cesspool on Virginia Tech Massacre
2007-04-18

Gun Owners of America's Larry Pratt booked

The Political Cesspool announces that Larry Pratt, the Executive Director of the Gun Owners of America, will be joining us for a live interview on Thursday, April 19, beginning at 7:00 PM Central Time. Mr. Pratt was added to our schedule on short notice this week in light of the horrific events that took place on the campus of Virginia Tech.

Echoing our initial reaction which was conveyed on previous programs, Mr. Pratt believes that the senseless acts of murder committed by the young Asian man could have possibly been cut short, or averted altogether, had the student body been granted the right to defend themselves.

We are already seeing liberals howling for more "gun control," when in fact, the exact opposite measure might be the cure. You may read the Gun Owners of America's excellent press release below...

Virginia Tech Shooting -- Gun Bans Are The Problem, Not The Solution

“When will we learn that being defenseless is a bad defense,” asked Larry Pratt, Executive Director of Gun Owners of America?

“All the school shootings that have ended abruptly in the last ten years were stopped because a law-abiding citizen -- a potential victim -- had a gun,” Pratt said.

“The latest school shooting demands an immediate end to the gun-free zone law which leaves the nation’s schools at the mercy of madmen. It is irresponsibly dangerous to tell citizens that they may not have guns at schools. The Virginia Tech shooting shows that killers have no concern about a gun ban when murder is in their hearts.

“Not far from Virginia Tech a killer was stopped at the Appalachian School of Law when two students were able to go off campus to their vehicles and get their guns which they used to subdue the killer. Sadly, not even that awkward defense was available at Virginia Tech.

“Isn’t it interesting that Utah and Oregon are the only two states that allows faculty to carry guns on campus. And isn’t it interesting that you haven’t read about any school or university shootings in Utah or Oregon?. Why not? Because criminals don’t like having their victims shoot back at them,” Pratt said. “That’s why the American people want an end to this ineffective gun ban.”

Pollsters have found that 85% of Americans would find it appropriate for a principal or teacher to use “a gun at school to defend the lives of students” to stop a school massacre (Research 2000 poll).

The words of Virginia Tech spokesman, Larry Hincker, should be haunting him in the wake of the massacre at his school. Last year, a bill was killed in the Virginia legislature to enable those with concealed weapons permits to carry their guns at schools. Hincker said that “I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus.”

“Gun Owners of America has called on Congress to repeal its deadly law requiring gun free school zones,” said Pratt. “Likewise, the call has been made to state legislatures to enact legislation enabling people with concealed carry permits to be able to have their weapons with them in schools.”

-GOA-

Listen to Larry Pratt discuss these ideas in more detail when he appears as our on-air guest this Thursday, April 19. The Political Cesspool, America's premier conservative-populist radio program, can be heard each weeknight beginning at 7:00 PM Central Standard Time on AM 1380 WLRM. The live internet stream located on our website makes our programs, and our acclaimed guests, available to listeners around the world.

Gun Owners of America is the only no-compromise pro-gun lobby in Washington, D.C. For more information about this outstanding organization, please visit their website: www.gunowners.org (http://www.gunowners.org)

excellent articles. all the inteliigent brits i have spoken to understand too. they understand that although guns were totally banned here after dunblane, gun crime has skyrocketed.

[shadow cup]

excellent articles. all the inteliigent brits i have spoken to understand too. they understand that although guns were totally banned here after dunblane, gun crime has skyrocketed.

To illegalize firearms without the means to do so is to invite a situation whereby those who are law-abiding and of lesser will to possess a firearm would not have a firearm for hobby or defence while those who are not law-abiding and hence of higher will to possess a firearm would also find the loose-plated boundaries give way to access the illegitimate firearms from not-so-legitimate arms dealers.

The result? The unprotected mainstream versus the armed deviants.

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To illegalize firearms with the means and the will to enforce it would deprive both the law-abiding and the deviants of access to such. Then gun crimes would decline.

Localized, non-government-tied police forces would be the only other factor required to actuate the improvement of the security aspect of the puzzle.

[Sepp44]

i guess you missed this part:
Do you know how to draw blood
Can you poison
Can you stab-a-Jew
Can you kill huh? ******
Can you kill.......

Read more scribblings of the loony black feminist,radical, afrocentrist.White privelage indeed.

http://www.vdare.com/sailer/070422_giovanni.htm

Cho should have shot her instead.:mad:

[Marco Polo]

To illegalize firearms without the means to do so is to invite a situation whereby those who are law-abiding and of lesser will to possess a firearm would not have a firearm for hobby or defence while those who are not law-abiding and hence of higher will to possess a firearm would also find the loose-plated boundaries give way to access the illegitimate firearms from not-so-legitimate arms dealers.

The result? The unprotected mainstream versus the armed deviants.

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To illegalize firearms with the means and the will to enforce it would deprive both the law-abiding and the deviants of access to such. Then gun crimes would decline.

Localized, non-government-tied police forces would be the only other factor required to actuate the improvement of the security aspect of the puzzle.

you do not understand american history or why the second amendment exists. the 2nd ammendment exists to protect the first. you can't have an opressive gov if the citizenry are armed.

also as for preventing both criminals and the innocent from aquiring arms is impossible. those with bad motives will get a gun one way or the other if they desire, all that would happen is that decent people would not be able to protect themselves just like in london.

[shadow cup]

you do not understand american history or why the second amendment exists. the 2nd ammendment exists to protect the first. you can't have an opressive gov if the citizenry are armed.


Hence why I included provision for the organization of localized, non-government defence forces. Such would not be enough to protect against one's Government but then again neither would an armed citizenry.


also as for preventing both criminals and the innocent from aquiring arms is impossible. those with bad motives will get a gun one way or the other if they desire, all that would happen is that decent people would not be able to protect themselves just like in london.

That is also reflected in my mention of legislation to reflect the means. If one is not capable of monitoring a whole area reliably then it makes sense to cut back on the duties handled in the cover area. It is a matter of balancing regulation with ability to regulate.

[IMPERIUM]

http://www.natallnews.com/story.php?id=4893

"A Korean-American association in Chicago made the news when it held a candlelight vigil to commemorate the slain, and the news anchor made sure to state for the numbskulls at home that the motives and feelings of Cho Seung-Hui are not shared by the rest of the Korean-American community. That statement is generally true, of course, but it doesn’t change the fact that we want them out of our living space, along with every other non-White of whatever hue. It’s nothing personal; that’s just the way it has to be for our race to survive and progress." - Erich Gliebe

Spot on!
Out! All of them - first and foremost: the international manipulators.
An Imperium for Europids only.

Imperium
0704

[Marco Polo]

guns are illegal here in the uk and yet tonight we hear of a niggger girl shot in manchester. hmmmmm.

criminals will always find a way.

[Marco Polo]

Hence why I included provision for the organization of localized, non-government defence forces. Such would not be enough to protect against one's Government but then again neither would an armed citizenry.



That is also reflected in my mention of legislation to reflect the means. If one is not capable of monitoring a whole area reliably then it makes sense to cut back on the duties handled in the cover area. It is a matter of balancing regulation with ability to regulate.


regulate you mean list all who own guns? if so then what is the point of it all?

what is needed is proper education from an early age as to why guns are legal in the USA. they are there primarily for the protection of liberty.

[Sepp44]

guns are illegal here in the uk and yet tonight we hear of a niggger girl shot in manchester. hmmmmm.

criminals will always find a way.

The 12 year old girl shot in the head by the 17 year old yoot:(

[shadow cup]

regulate you mean list all who own guns? if so then what is the point of it all?


Yes and no. I mean a proper set of licenses not only to use a gun but also to possess a gun, which is a great responsibility. One good prerequisite of being privileged to own a gun is to dedicate a few hours a week to the local defence force.

The point is that if the majority of firepower is vested in the localities then the government cannot exactly afford to use its own firepower on the people. Furthermore the locality cannot step too far out of line as other localities would take notice. Hence a neutralization of interdependence, enhancing civil and political freedoms.


what is needed is proper education from an early age as to why guns are legal in the USA. they are there primarily for the protection of liberty.

Education is also important... but then again education needs a rehash so that is hardly a surprise to me. ^_~

[Marco Polo]

Yes and no. I mean a proper set of licenses not only to use a gun but also to possess a gun, which is a great responsibility. One good prerequisite of being privileged to own a gun is to dedicate a few hours a week to the local defence force.

The point is that if the majority of firepower is vested in the localities then the government cannot exactly afford to use its own firepower on the people. Furthermore the locality cannot step too far out of line as other localities would take notice. Hence a neutralization of interdependence, enhancing civil and political freedoms.



Education is also important... but then again education needs a rehash so that is hardly a surprise to me. ^_~

a licence is a list for government to use when it wants to seize guns.

[Sepp44]

a licence is a list for government to use when it wants to seize guns.


........sorta like a membership where police have an easier time picking up dissenting voices.

[Marco Polo]

........sorta like a membership where police have an easier time picking up dissenting voices.

yep, spot on

[shadow cup]

That would be so were the localized force funded and controlled
by the government. But it would not be so.

As stated before, in a situation where the main level of government is local and where the State is merely a macro administrator with little power within the individual localities, lists would be limited in scope. Yes the localities would have their own lists and the lists of the localities would be possessed by Government but it would matter little. The government would become very unpopular if it were to attempt an invasion of one or three it's more critical localities.

In the meantime the government 'would' be able to control the borders in terms of arms trafficking, as would the localities, within their territories.

Crime would be greatly stifled... as would certain civil liberties as homosexuality... 'if' such civil liberties are considered outlawed. But that is a fault that lies not within the system of defence proposed but rather upon a different level of society.

That is where debate and a pluralistic attitude comes in.

[Neverwinter]

Source (http://buchanan.org/blog/?p=731)
May 1, 2007
PJB: The Dark Side of Diversity
posted by Linda

by Patrick J. Buchanan

Since the massacre of 32 students and teachers at Virginia Tech, the mainstream media have obsessed over the fact the crazed gunman was able to buy a Glock in the state of Virginia.

Little attention has been paid to the Richmond legislators who voted to make “Hokie Nation,” a Middle American campus of 26,000 kids, a gun-free zone where only the madman had a semi-automatic.

Almost no attention has been paid to the fact that Cho Seung-Hui was not an American at all, but an immigrant, an alien. Had this deranged young man who secretly hated us never come here, 32 people would be heading home from Blacksburg for summer vacation.

What was Cho doing here? How did he get in?

Cho was among the 864,000 Koreans here as a result of the Immigration Act of 1965, which threw the nation’s doors open to the greatest invasion in history, an invasion opposed by a majority of our people. Thirty-six million, almost all from countries whose peoples have never fully assimilated in any Western country, now live in our midst.Cho was one of them.

In stories about him, we learn he had no friends, rarely spoke and was a loner, isolated from classmates and roommates. Cho was the alien in Hokie Nation. And to vent his rage at those with whom he could not communicate, he decided to kill in cold blood dozens of us.

What happened in Blacksburg cannot be divorced from what’s been happening to America since the immigration act brought tens of millions of strangers to these shores, even as the old bonds of national community began to disintegrate and dissolve in the social revolutions of the 1960s.

To intellectuals, what makes America a nation is ideas – ideas in the Declaration of Independence, Bill of Rights, Gettysburg Address and Dr. King’s “I Have a Dream” speech.

But documents no matter how eloquent and words no matter how lovely do not a nation make. Before 1970, we were a people, a community, a country. Students would have said aloud of Cho: “Who is this guy? What’s the matter with him?”

Teachers would have taken action to get him help – or get him out.

Since the 1960s, we have become alienated from one another even as millions of strangers arrive every year. And as Americans no longer share the old ties of history, heritage, faith, language, tradition, culture, music, myth or morality, how can immigrants share those ties?

Many immigrants do not assimilate. Many do not wish to. They seek community in their separate subdivisions of our multicultural, multiracial, multiethnic, multilingual mammoth mall of a nation. And in numbers higher than our native born, some are going berserk here.

The 1993 bombers of the World Trade Center and the killers of 9-11 were all immigrants or illegals. Colin Ferguson, the Jamaican who massacred six and wounded 19 in an anti-white shooting spree on the Long Island Railroad, was an illegal. John Lee Malvo, the Beltway Sniper, was flotsam from the Caribbean.

Angel Resendez, the border-jumping rapist who killed at least nine women, was an illegal alien. Julio Gonzalez, who burned down the Happy Land social club in New York, killing 87, arrived in the Mariel boatlift.

Ali Hassan Abu Kama, who wounded seven, killing one, in a rampage on the observation deck of the Empire State Building, was a Palestinian. As was Sirhan Sirhan, the assassin of Robert Kennedy.

The rifleman who murdered two CIA employees at the McLean, Va., headquarters was a Pakistani. When Chai Vang, a Hmong, was told by a party of Wisconsin hunters to vacate their deer stand, he shot six to death. Peter Odighizuwa, the gunman who killed the dean, a teacher and a student at the Appalachian School of Law, was a Nigerian.

Hesham Hadayet, who shot up the El Al counter at LAX, killing two and wounding four, was an Egyptian immigrant. Gamil al-Batouti, the copilot who yelled, “I put my faith in Allah’s hands,” as he crashed his plane into the Atlantic after departing JFK Airport, killing 217, was an Egyptian.

Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar, the UNC graduate who ran his SUV over nine people on Chapel Hill campus and said he was “thankful for the opportunity to spread the will of Allah,” was an Iranian.

Juan Corona, who murdered 25 people in California to be ranked with the likes of Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy, was a Mexican.

Where does one find such facts? On VDARE.com, a website that covers the dark side of diversity covered up by a politically correct media, which seem to believe it is socially unhealthy for us Americans to see any correlation at all between mass migrations and mass murder.

“In our diversity is our strength!” So we are endlessly lectured.

But are we really a better, safer, freer, happier, more united and caring country than we were before, against our will, we became what Theodore Roosevelt called “a polyglot boarding house for the world”?

[etoile noir]

Cho was among the 864,000 Koreans here as a result of the Immigration Act of 1965, which threw the nation’s doors open to the greatest invasion in history, an invasion opposed by a majority of our people. Thirty-six million, almost all from countries whose peoples have never fully assimilated in any Western country, now live in our midst.Cho was one of them.

a very good article that exposes the myth of "strength in die-versity"