"Friends of Constantin von Hoffmeister"

[ogenoct]

Ave!

The leader of the Moscow branch of the National Bolshevik Front (http://www.nbf.org.ru/) has set up an online community. It is called "Friends of Constantin von Hoffmeister." Check it out:

http://community.livejournal.com/nbp_esn

Kind Regards,
Constantin

[Marco Polo]

tell them to move the server to somewhere capitalist and civilised like good ol' USA or Germany as there is a gateway timeout error. it will actually work in those countries.

[Joga]

Ogneoct .. the truth hurts :rolleyes:

[IMPERIUM]

Constantin von Hoffmeister:
with his superb command of the English language:
multifaceted, complex, everfresh and provokative:
a modern Lord Byron.

Wish you well.

Imperium
0701

[Captain Marinesko]

tell them to move the server to somewhere capitalist and civilised like good ol' USA or Germany as there is a gateway timeout error. it will actually work in those countries.

Russia has been totally capitalist, for about 17 years now. The fact that life is so abysmal here after all that proves the real Communists right, not the other way around.


BTW, in answer to your sig, North Korea is dark because North Korea has been officially at war against two better-armed opponents for over 50 years now. Since 91 they have barely any allies and in the mid-90s the Americans convinced them to shut down the Yongbyon reactor in exchange for light-water reactors that were to be built by the US. The DPRK made good on their part of the deal, while the US never has. After promptly shutting down the reactor, a series of natural disasters caused serious damage to a number of hydroelectic power stations(silt in the turbines). This is what seriously damaged the power infrastructure of the DPRK.

Also if you look into the history of the two states you will find that South Korea was basically a basketcase for several decades after the war while DPRK was far cleaner, organized, and without all the corruption of the South. The US had to sink billions into South Korea to make it work.

[Marco Polo]

Russia has been totally capitalist, for about 17 years now. The fact that life is so abysmal here after all that proves the real Communists right, not the other way around.


BTW, in answer to your sig, North Korea is dark because North Korea has been officially at war against two better-armed opponents for over 50 years now. Since 91 they have barely any allies and in the mid-90s the Americans convinced them to shut down the Yongbyon reactor in exchange for light-water reactors that were to be built by the US. The DPRK made good on their part of the deal, while the US never has. After promptly shutting down the reactor, a series of natural disasters caused serious damage to a number of hydroelectic power stations(silt in the turbines). This is what seriously damaged the power infrastructure of the DPRK.

Also if you look into the history of the two states you will find that South Korea was basically a basketcase for several decades after the war while DPRK was far cleaner, organized, and without all the corruption of the South. The US had to sink billions into South Korea to make it work.

you may be right in many areas but the fact remains that capitalism works and communism doesnt. if russia is too corrupt then its russias problem.

i am well aware of South Koreas rebirth through a dictator (dont ask me the name) which led to its present SUPERIOR standard of living compared to the DARK North Korea. Capitalism is great.

[Captain Marinesko]

you may be right in many areas but the fact remains that capitalism works and communism doesnt. if russia is too corrupt then its russias problem.

Communism worked very well actually. Revisionist capitalism clearly didn't and lassaiz faire capitalism is what led Russia to its current state.



i am well aware of South Koreas rebirth through a dictator (dont ask me the name) which led to its present SUPERIOR standard of living compared to the DARK North Korea. Capitalism is great.

ROK's standard of living surpassed that of DPRK significantly only in the late 80s. Still it did so because of massive aid from the US. ROK's "rebirth" was not the work of a dictator but rather liberation from past dictators by the dissident Kim Dae Jung.

[Marco Polo]

Communism worked very well actually. Revisionist capitalism clearly didn't and lassaiz faire capitalism is what led Russia to its current state.




ROK's standard of living surpassed that of DPRK significantly only in the late 80s. Still it did so because of massive aid from the US. ROK's "rebirth" was not the work of a dictator but rather liberation from past dictators by the dissident Kim Dae Jung.

and maltas liberation from socialism and its shitty chocolate, lack of toothpaste along with god knows what else came in the form of capitalism (albiet still with a topping of socialism)

it is all nonsense and only the most moronic of people will accept what you are saying. stay in russia or move to the US bible belt.

[Captain Marinesko]

it is all nonsense and only the most moronic of people will accept what you are saying. stay in russia or move to the US bible belt.

No, people who study North Korea, such as Bruce Cummings or Selig Harrisman, verify what I am saying. Furthermore the facts of economic reforms in the USSR moving towards capitalism can be traced back to 1964. However, economic records show that serious problems did not develop until the late Gorbachev era, when he began switching to market-socialism under perestroika. His "co-operatives" were in fact private businesses, the whole thing is a scam. That is why people like Brezhnev are still seen as heroes while Gorbachev is hardly mentioned.

[Marco Polo]

No, people who study North Korea, such as Bruce Cummings or Selig Harrisman, verify what I am saying. Furthermore the facts of economic reforms in the USSR moving towards capitalism can be traced back to 1964. However, economic records show that serious problems did not develop until the late Gorbachev era, when he began switching to market-socialism under perestroika. His "co-operatives" were in fact private businesses, the whole thing is a scam. That is why people like Brezhnev are still seen as heroes while Gorbachev is hardly mentioned.
it is irrelavent. South Korea is still far better off thanks to capitalism. Also kindly explain how the EU plus most of the white world is better off with capitalism? Let me explain it to you mathematically:

i+c=P

i=intelligent people
c=capitalism
P=Prosperity

Why did Gorbachev switch to market-socialism? maybe because communism wasn't working? Thatcher had a similar billboard made that helped lead her to victory. the enemy was socialism then too.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/education/asguru/generalstudies/culture/07advertising/images/labour_isnt_working2.jpg

[Captain Marinesko]

it is irrelavent. South Korea is still far better off thanks to capitalism. Also kindly explain how the EU plus most of the white world is better off with capitalism? Let me explain it to you mathematically:


South Korea is "better" off because the US has dumped billions of dollars into it for over 50 years, moreso than Israel.

Oh, the EU and the "white world" is better off because of capitalism? Then why are you and others on this forum bitching constantly about immigrants, Jews, and the destruction of European values? If you like capitalism, you need to accept all those things.

Like capitalism? CELEBRATE DIVERSITY!


i+c=P

i=intelligent people
c=capitalism
P=Prosperity


You're not goin to get very far in economics with equations like that, but here's a more accurate one:

I+C+T+O+D+R+B=P

I= Intelligent people
C= Capitalism
T= Third World immigrants
O= Outsourcing
D= Diversity training(your native population won't like the influx, you need to control them with propaganda and hate speech laws)
R= Rampant Consumerism
B=Break down of morals and standards

P= Prosperity, for a few!


Why did Gorbachev switch to market-socialism? maybe because communism wasn't working? Thatcher had a similar billboard made that helped lead her to victory. the enemy was socialism then too.


No, socialism wasn't working for greedy bastards that wanted more power.

[Marco Polo]

South Korea is "better" off because the US has dumped billions of dollars into it for over 50 years, moreso than Israel.

Oh, the EU and the "white world" is better off because of capitalism? Then why are you and others on this forum bitching constantly about immigrants, Jews, and the destruction of European values? If you like capitalism, you need to accept all those things.

Like capitalism? CELEBRATE DIVERSITY!

this only makes sense in the warped mind of a red. we have immigrants because we dont have enough kids. we are screwed because the baby boom generation is getting older and we need a larger labour force to pay their pensions. morons with distorted thinking resort to immigrants.

if we have a steadily growing population we dont need immigrants. capitalism depends on consumers and consumers are people. if you dont have the consumers then they are imported. we need to have babies!




You're not goin to get very far in economics with equations like that, but here's a more accurate one:

I+C+T+O+D+R+B=P

I= Intelligent people
C= Capitalism
T= Third World immigrants
O= Outsourcing
D= Diversity training(your native population won't like the influx, you need to control them with propaganda and hate speech laws)
R= Rampant Consumerism
B=Break down of morals and standards

P= Prosperity, for a few!
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modified a little

I+C+T+O+D+R+B=P+Z

Z=eventual collapse of the system

p=prosperity for all

it is far more accurate this way. removal of the bad elements (TODRB) will restore the equation to its former

No, socialism wasn't working for greedy bastards that wanted more power.

hence it never will. there will ALWAYS be greedy bastards. capitalism simply goes with the flow and lets others ride the wave too. socialism funnels all wealth to fat cat champagne socialists on top.

its amazing how many ministers became millionaires during maltas socialist era.

[Captain Marinesko]

this only makes sense in the warped mind of a red. we have immigrants because we dont have enough kids. we are screwed because the baby boom generation is getting older and we need a larger labour force to pay their pensions. morons with distorted thinking resort to immigrants.

How do you explain that the demand for immigrant labor began as far back as the late 50s, when the baby boom generation was still in grade school in many countries?


if we have a steadily growing population we dont need immigrants. capitalism depends on consumers and consumers are people. if you dont have the consumers then they are imported. we need to have babies!

You won't have more babies because of the effects of naturalization coupled with longer hours, less benefits, etc.






modified a little

I+C+T+O+D+R+B=P+Z

Z=eventual collapse of the system

p=prosperity for all

it is far more accurate this way. removal of the bad elements (TODRB) will restore the equation to its former

The problem is you can't just pluck those "bad elements" out like some puzzle piece. Those things are inherent in the system.



hence it never will. there will ALWAYS be greedy bastards. capitalism simply goes with the flow and lets others ride the wave too. socialism funnels all wealth to fat cat champagne socialists on top.

its amazing how many ministers became millionaires during maltas socialist era.

Yes there will be greedy bastards, and society should suppress them and reward those who think of their nation first.

[Marco Polo]

How do you explain that the demand for immigrant labor began as far back as the late 50s, when the baby boom generation was still in grade school in many countries?

exactly, they were in grade school. europe had just suffered a population decline called the second world war. as far as i know kids dont earn a wage. immigration remained a 'trickle' from then but their offspring bred like rabbits whereas europeans were getting used to the comfy life.

here in malta we had the church saying condoms are evil so we bred like rabbits for ages thus causing a massive problem that will explode very soon. we simply dont have the cash to pay for the baby boom generations retirement. i come from a family of 5 siblings, my mum from a family of 8


You won't have more babies because of the effects of naturalization coupled with longer hours, less benefits, etc.

and so the solution to these ills is communism? thats like having a heart transplant if you get a stitch jogging.


The problem is you can't just pluck those "bad elements" out like some puzzle piece. Those things are inherent in the system.

yes you can. we have survived immigrant free and without communism for generations, we can do so again.


Yes there will be greedy bastards, and society should suppress them and reward those who think of their nation first.

indeed. or combine them both. one can be a rich philanthropist!

[Captain Marinesko]

and so the solution to these ills is communism? thats like having a heart transplant if you get a stitch jogging.

The solution is Communism because it is important to relieve the burdens of existence from the majority of the population. The native population will grow when they have the ability and material resources to do so. As well as political motivation.

In the USSR, nearly from the beginning, abortion was not only legal, but FREE. Still the population grew and people had big familes. Abortion is no longer free today, but Russia has one of the highest abortion rates in the world.



yes you can. we have survived immigrant free and without communism for generations, we can do so again.

You did it for generations in times when capitalism had not fully taken hold, and further back before capitalism even came about.

[Marco Polo]

The solution is Communism because it is important to relieve the burdens of existence from the majority of the population. The native population will grow when they have the ability and material resources to do so. As well as political motivation.

In the USSR, nearly from the beginning, abortion was not only legal, but FREE. Still the population grew and people had big familes. Abortion is no longer free today, but Russia has one of the highest abortion rates in the world.

it relieves the burdens of existence? you mean people didnt have to work under communism? no wonder there were bread lines!

I think people killed their babies in the USSR so they wouldn't have to go through such shitty lives. same applies today. I was talking about contraception not coat hangers!

Is a high abortion rate something to be proud of? Only in the mind of a red!


You did it for generations in times when capitalism had not fully taken hold, and further back before capitalism even came about.

So communism was really great during the glory days of Comrade Stalin (when the money stolen from the richer portion of society was still in the coffers) but sucked after (we will leave aside stalins gulags)?

capitalism had never taken hold in the good old days? and here's me thinking we were worse off 100 years ago! In the good old days we had healthy birth rates wheras now we dont. there is no excuse for immigrants if we have our own kids.

Who are you really? George Orwell or Carlin?

[Captain Marinesko]

it relieves the burdens of existence? you mean people didnt have to work under communism? no wonder there were bread lines!

Bread lines is a canard and won't be responded to. Imagine what you could do with the money you make if you had free health care, and your rent could not exceed 5% of your personal income. Imagine what you would do if the public transport was dirt cheap, and efficient, and you had all sorts of amenities and cultural pursuits heavily subsidized so as to be virtually free for you regardless of your occupation. That was reality of life in the Soviet Union.


I think people killed their babies in the USSR so they wouldn't have to go through such shitty lives. same applies today. I was talking about contraception not coat hangers!

The Soviet public health system was recognized to be very advanced, no coat hangers needed. As you know, contraceptives were also available.


Is a high abortion rate something to be proud of? Only in the mind of a red!

The high abortion rate is something we got under capitalism, not under Communism.



So communism was really great during the glory days of Comrade Stalin (when the money stolen from the richer portion of society was still in the coffers) but sucked after (we will leave aside stalins gulags)?

Didn't quite happen that way.


capitalism had never taken hold in the good old days? and here's me thinking we were worse off 100 years ago! In the good old days we had healthy birth rates wheras now we dont. there is no excuse for immigrants if we have our own kids.

There is always an excuse for immigrants from a capitalist perspective. You can have all the kids you want, but the wealthy know that they'll have to pay your kids more than some poor bastard from Morocco or wherever the hell your immigrants come from.

[Marco Polo]

Bread lines is a canard and won't be responded to.

just like the gulags then :rolleyes:


Imagine what you could do with the money you make if you had free health care, and your rent could not exceed 5% of your personal income. Imagine what you would do if the public transport was dirt cheap, and efficient, and you had all sorts of amenities and cultural pursuits heavily subsidized so as to be virtually free for you regardless of your occupation. That was reality of life in the Soviet Union.

what money? you have a distorted perception of socialism. government steals your cash and then tells you what to do with your spare time. stop taxxing me and i will choose thank you!


The Soviet public health system was recognized to be very advanced, no coat hangers needed. As you know, contraceptives were also available.

i didnt literaly mean coathangers but they are a 'traditional' object thought of when talking of infanticide.


The high abortion rate is something we got under capitalism, not under Communism.

i think it happened earlier else there wouldnt be the problems there are today. it may have increased since then, just as in the west. thats the effect of consumerism though.

Didn't quite happen that way.

i was simplifying your worshipping of comrade stalin

There is always an excuse for immigrants from a capitalist perspective.

You can have all the kids you want, but the wealthy know that they'll have to pay your kids more than some poor bastard from Morocco or wherever the hell your immigrants come from.

actually that isnt the case.

what really happens is a supply and demand effect. as the supply of workers outstrips demand wages decrease wheras a shortage of workers not supplying demand would start an inflationary cycle. part of the job of government is to keep a steady supply of labour to maintain the balance of supply and demand. what has happened is that not enough people are having kids and thus more labour is imported.

immigrants are usually paid similar ammounts to native workers here. if they are paid less then they are few. the benefits of immigrants to business is they accept lower working standards and they increase LIQUIDITY in the labour market forcing wages down. the long term effects of forcing wages down is MORE harmful than inflationary pressure (deflation) and thus the capitalist is still screwed.

it is government that should be blamed and not capitalism. capitalism is efficient as it harnesses the base human emotions of selfishness and greed, the same emotions that trigger altruism.

[Captain Marinesko]

just like the gulags then :rolleyes:

Improper comparison.



what money? you have a distorted perception of socialism. government steals your cash and then tells you what to do with your spare time. stop taxxing me and i will choose thank you!

Government doesn't steal your money. Nor does a socialist government tell you what to do with your spare time. It GIVES you more spare time, and it gives you OPTIONS as to what to do with that spare time. It makes sure you have the same opportunities for entertainment or personal enrichment that other workers or party members have.



i think it happened earlier else there wouldnt be the problems there are today. it may have increased since then, just as in the west. thats the effect of consumerism though.

And consumerism is an effect of capitalism.



i was simplifying your worshipping of comrade stalin

I don't worship Stalin.



what really happens is a supply and demand effect. as the supply of workers outstrips demand wages decrease wheras a shortage of workers not supplying demand would start an inflationary cycle. part of the job of government is to keep a steady supply of labour to maintain the balance of supply and demand. what has happened is that not enough people are having kids and thus more labour is imported.

Capitalists increase profit by lowering wages paid. The labor market determines the wages, and people from poor countries are thus willing to work for lower wages(which to them are much higher than what they earn in their own countries). The goal of capitalists has in the last century been to open up the labor market while restricting the commodities market. In other words putting you in competition with workers around the world, while restricting their own competition.


immigrants are usually paid similar ammounts to native workers here. if they are paid less then they are few. the benefits of immigrants to business is they accept lower working standards and they increase LIQUIDITY in the labour market forcing wages down. the long term effects of forcing wages down is MORE harmful than inflationary pressure (deflation) and thus the capitalist is still screwed.

I don't think they'd agree that they're screwed. I don't know what the problem with Malta is but immigrant labor and driving the wages down has worked pretty well for capitalists around the world.


it is government that should be blamed and not capitalism. capitalism is efficient as it harnesses the base human emotions of selfishness and greed, the same emotions that trigger altruism.

The government is a tool of the capitalist system, it is not something objective.

The irony is that you are probably not Bourgeoisie, and will never be, but for some reason you have a prejudice against socialism, which would probably benefit your personally. Why do you think that is?

[Marco Polo]

Improper comparison.

not really. although maybe a slight exaggeration.

Government doesn't steal your money. Nor does a socialist government tell you what to do with your spare time. It GIVES you more spare time, and it gives you OPTIONS as to what to do with that spare time. It makes sure you have the same opportunities for entertainment or personal enrichment that other workers or party members have.

government steals money as it does not properly account for what it spends. the stealing is through inefficient spending and corruption.

capitalism gives the same unless you are an idiot or the government is corrupt. communism promises the world but does not deliver.

And consumerism is an effect of capitalism.

again, a heart transplant if you have a stitch! it is people who must control their own greed. if the only thing you care about is the aquisition of useless goods then so be it. government should reduce tax rates on couples with kids. no communism needed.

I don't worship Stalin.

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=metaphor

Capitalists increase profit by lowering wages paid. The labor market determines the wages, and people from poor countries are thus willing to work for lower wages(which to them are much higher than what they earn in their own countries). The goal of capitalists has in the last century been to open up the labor market while restricting the commodities market. In other words putting you in competition with workers around the world, while restricting their own competition.

no they do not. they increase profit through various means and cutting wages will eventually undermine the entire system. if your workers have no money then they cannot buy your goods. it is in the capitalists interest to keep consumers happy.

all we need do is close the labour market BUT FIRST WE NEED KIDS whilst maintaining control on the commodities markets.

I don't think they'd agree that they're screwed. I don't know what the problem with Malta is but immigrant labor and driving the wages down has worked pretty well for capitalists around the world.

explained above, negates the need for immigrants. lots of kids= more workers/consumers & no need for immigrants

The government is a tool of the capitalist system, it is not something objective.

that is what we need to stop.

The irony is that you are probably not Bourgeoisie, and will never be, but for some reason you have a prejudice against socialism, which would probably benefit your personally. Why do you think that is?

i believe in sanity and not breaking natural laws. i have been on both sides of the fence and have seen both perspectives. there are bad capitalists who treat the worker like shit and there are bad workers who steal from their bosses. both sides are right to a point. an environment needs to be created where it is both parties interest to behave.

the common good!

[Captain Marinesko]

not really. although maybe a slight exaggeration.

Seeing as how breadlines were in fact not common to socialist countries, it was an improper comparison.



government steals money as it does not properly account for what it spends. the stealing is through inefficient spending and corruption.

Like corporate welfare and tax-breaks for the rich?


capitalism gives the same unless you are an idiot or the government is corrupt. communism promises the world but does not deliver.

Which Communism promises the world?



again, a heart transplant if you have a stitch! it is people who must control their own greed. if the only thing you care about is the aquisition of useless goods then so be it. government should reduce tax rates on couples with kids. no communism needed.

Why should they control their greed? What is there to stop them?


no they do not. they increase profit through various means and cutting wages will eventually undermine the entire system. if your workers have no money then they cannot buy your goods. it is in the capitalists interest to keep consumers happy.

Do you have any idea how profits increased when corporations began outsourcing and using immigrant labor?


all we need do is close the labour market BUT FIRST WE NEED KIDS whilst maintaining control on the commodities markets.

Great; go to the government and ask them to close the labor market to outside competition. See who your members of parliament listen to- you or the heads of large businesses.



explained above, negates the need for immigrants. lots of kids= more workers/consumers & no need for immigrants


Lots of kids, impossible under the current state, as it exists to serve the wealthy


believe in sanity and not breaking natural laws. i have been on both sides of the fence and have seen both perspectives. there are bad capitalists who treat the worker like shit and there are bad workers who steal from their bosses. both sides are right to a point. an environment needs to be created where it is both parties interest to behave.

the common good!

That environment can only be created when the existing order is smashed and overthrown. Short of dividing into little autonomous communes, the best way to do that is socialism.

[Marco Polo]

Seeing as how breadlines were in fact not common to socialist countries, it was an improper comparison.

uncommon? non-existent in capitalist ones

Like corporate welfare and tax-breaks for the rich?

yes. that is disgusting

Which Communism promises the world?

yours.

Why should they control their greed? What is there to stop them?

i gave one example on lower taxation for those who have kids. that is one way of funneling the peoples money to where it is needed without further theft through taxation. they have to stop themselves. we wont be using gulags and KGB!

Do you have any idea how profits increased when corporations began outsourcing and using immigrant labor?

yes i do. it is still self defeating in the end.

Great; go to the government and ask them to close the labor market to outside competition. See who your members of parliament listen to- you or the heads of large businesses.

that is why we are politics. the present lot wont.


Lots of kids, impossible under the current state, as it exists to serve the wealthy

see question directly above.

communism is heart surgery for a stitch.

That environment can only be created when the existing order is smashed and overthrown. Short of dividing into little autonomous communes, the best way to do that is socialism.

communism is heart surgery for a stitch.

[Captain Marinesko]

You fail to understand the nature of economics. You can't just fix something with a "stitch". Even if you got into political power, the reality of the economic system is going to hit you like a ton of bricks. If you threaten the status quo, and your program clearly does just that, you will be stonewalled and your government made to look like the most incompetant in Maltese history. Of course that wouldn't really be your fault, but it doesn't matter. You're trying to play games with the heavy hitters, and you have nothing to offer but massive loss of profit for them.

[Marco Polo]

You fail to understand the nature of economics. You can't just fix something with a "stitch". Even if you got into political power, the reality of the economic system is going to hit you like a ton of bricks. If you threaten the status quo, and your program clearly does just that, you will be stonewalled and your government made to look like the most incompetant in Maltese history. Of course that wouldn't really be your fault, but it doesn't matter. You're trying to play games with the heavy hitters, and you have nothing to offer but massive loss of profit for them.

does this mean you surrender? comrade stalin will shoot you in the back of the head for that.

im sure that capitalists would rather support us than you guys anyday. i do wish you the best of luck as the stronger commies are, the stronger we become too. the present system will not last so long as there is a nationalist alternative.

good luck in creating your irrational, anti-nature utopia. the greedy will always rise to the top and opress the rest, more so in a system like communism.

[Captain Marinesko]

does this mean you surrender? comrade stalin will shoot you in the back of the head for that.

No, it means you don't understand how economics work. You don't just get to pick and choose parts of it at will. Many of the problems you see are inherent in the system itself.


im sure that capitalists would rather support us than you guys anyday. i do wish you the best of luck as the stronger commies are, the stronger we become too. the present system will not last so long as there is a nationalist alternative.

No capitalist today is going to support a movement that will cost them massive amounts of profit. Profit is the language of the system. Not race, nation, or Jooz.



good luck in creating your irrational, anti-nature utopia. the greedy will always rise to the top and opress the rest, more so in a system like communism.

We're not utopian. Furthremore we created a far more lasting state than far-rightists.

[Gladiator]

You fail to understand the nature of economics. You can't just fix something with a "stitch". Even if you got into political power, the reality of the economic system is going to hit you like a ton of bricks. If you threaten the status quo, and your program clearly does just that, you will be stonewalled and your government made to look like the most incompetant in Maltese history. Of course that wouldn't really be your fault, but it doesn't matter. You're trying to play games with the heavy hitters, and you have nothing to offer but massive loss of profit for them.

It couldn't have been much better than the squalid Socialism of Dom Mintoff and the present corrupt government?
The Imperium Europa’s dictum is all men are free to produce and earn as much as they can be capable of doing with no hindrance by rules and laws set up by some dickhead.

[Marco Polo]

No, it means you don't understand how economics work. You don't just get to pick and choose parts of it at will. Many of the problems you see are inherent in the system itself.

thats rich coming from a commie. what a crap mode of reasoning. you can pick and choose as you like just as many have been doing for years. japan has no real amount of immigrants!

communism never worked and never will because its elite will ALWAYS fall to corruption. it is inevitable.

No capitalist today is going to support a movement that will cost them massive amounts of profit. Profit is the language of the system. Not race, nation, or Jooz.

profits can be created in many ways. like i said, best of luck because the stronger you get the more support we will have just to oppose you.

We're not utopian. Furthremore we created a far more lasting state than far-rightists.

ok, you are delusional though. the second sentence states that clearly. with a country the size of russia, only communism could fail in creating a wealthy state there! it collapsed itself, without enemy tanks crashing through moscow, Berlin and Rome were crushed by the army boot.

[shadow cup]

9_9 ... ~_~;;;

So many similarities yet both sides of the coin perceive each other as different currency. A shame.

[Marco Polo]

9_9 ... ~_~;;;

So many similarities yet both sides of the coin perceive each other as different currency. A shame.

the difference is i live in the real world wheras commies live in a dream 'workersoftheworldunite' world

[Captain Marinesko]

thats rich coming from a commie. what a crap mode of reasoning. you can pick and choose as you like just as many have been doing for years. japan has no real amount of immigrants!

That's why I keep saying you don't know how economics works. Changes and modifications can leave effects throughout the entire system. Japan doesn't have immigrants mostly because of its unique cultural heritage, coupled with its existence as a small nation of islands. Nations in extreme circumstances sometimes are forced to adopt unorthodox measures, such as Singapore.


communism never worked and never will because its elite will ALWAYS fall to corruption. it is inevitable.

Aside from primitive Communism, in which civilization grew up, Communism in modern form has not yet existed. Khruschev told the Soviet people that they had won, and that a ruling class couldn't rise up and corrupt things. Nobody did anything because they had a lot of benefits and they weren't expecting it.



profits can be created in many ways. like i said, best of luck because the stronger you get the more support we will have just to oppose you.

Remember what happened to your side last time?



ok, you are delusional though. the second sentence states that clearly. with a country the size of russia, only communism could fail in creating a wealthy state there!

The Soviet economy, even in the post-Stalin era, was surpassed only by the US, any source can confirm that. Despite problems of distribution(due to intentional sabotage) in the later years, they had effectively accomplished miraculous goals in raising the standard of living.


it collapsed itself, without enemy tanks crashing through moscow, Berlin and Rome were crushed by the army boot.

Berlin was crushed by the Red Army boot, remember that.

[Marco Polo]

That's why I keep saying you don't know how economics works. Changes and modifications can leave effects throughout the entire system. Japan doesn't have immigrants mostly because of its unique cultural heritage, coupled with its existence as a small nation of islands. Nations in extreme circumstances sometimes are forced to adopt unorthodox measures, such as Singapore.

total crap.

japan is capitalist and has few immigrants. you have no argument. if it is cultural then it is our culture that is to blame and NOT capitalism. japan is more capitalist that europe! britain too is a small nation of islands and has immigrants.

Aside from primitive Communism, in which civilization grew up, Communism in modern form has not yet existed. Khruschev told the Soviet people that they had won, and that a ruling class couldn't rise up and corrupt things. Nobody did anything because they had a lot of benefits and they weren't expecting it.

usual commie crap. the glory is just around the corner. 70 years of communism and yet it never existed. my god you are full of it!

utter bollocks. george orwell eat your heart out.

Remember what happened to your side last time?

one learns from mistakes.

The Soviet economy, even in the post-Stalin era, was surpassed only by the US, any source can confirm that. Despite problems of distribution(due to intentional sabotage) in the later years, they had effectively accomplished miraculous goals in raising the standard of living.

what a load of shit. utter nonsense. top was usa, second and third were japan and germany (cant remember order) and forth was UK.

the ussr was a basket case.

Berlin was crushed by the Red Army boot, remember that.

the elephant may crush many ants but eventually it will succumb!

[Captain Marinesko]

total crap.

japan is capitalist and has few immigrants. you have no argument. if it is cultural then it is our culture that is to blame and NOT capitalism. japan is more capitalist that europe! britain too is a small nation of islands and has immigrants.

Japan's destiny was guided by the US which controlled it after WWII. Of course you live on a small island nation as well, so if you can just institute some form of Confucian culture and have it last for over one-thousand years maybe you'll accomplish the same. However, I suggest you take a look at how the average Japanese worker lives before wishing for that kind of lifestyle.



usual commie crap. the glory is just around the corner. 70 years of communism and yet it never existed. my god you are full of it!

I see, so under capitalism there can be traitors and incompetant people that run their countries into the ground, but Communism has to be perfect or it's invalid. It was Khruschev, not Marx, who claimed that Communism could be reached so quickly. It was 70 years of socialism, more or less, not Communism.


utter bollocks. george orwell eat your heart out.

George Orwell was a novelist.




one learns from mistakes.

Apparently that can't be the case with Marxism, according to you.



what a load of shit. utter nonsense. top was usa, second and third were japan and germany (cant remember order) and forth was UK.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_union

Try again.




the ussr was a basket case.

Oh is this "Let's make statements about things we know nothing about day?" In that case: You can perform heart surgery with a plastic fork, we could save a LOT of money that way.





the elephant may crush many ants but eventually it will succumb!

You name the zoo and we'll put that to the test. You'll probably have to bring the ants though.

[Vurtop]

I can't understand what's wrong with those russians who carry on to support the Jewish Bolshevism.

The Russian People suffer greatly by the bolsheviks since 1917.

Someone said "Now Russia is under capitalism". Be sure the capitalists of today are sons and daughters of the so called bolsheviks.

Capitalism and Communism are two of the Zionist weapons against the free people all around the world.

Constantin von Hoffmeister" is a **** ******. In his articles he used to praise Michael Kuehnen and Ernst Thelman. Kuehnen was an open homosexual (he died from AIDS in prison 1991) an degenerate implanted in the columns of ANS/NA (neo nazi group in West Germany), while Ernst Thelman was a communist pig, who hated his own people and used to work against the germans.

The so-called "national" bolsheviks are nothing, but jewish puppets, whose aim is to destroy the european youth.

Have a look at some pictures of the National Bolsheviks of Eduard Limonov (don't tell me that you are so-different than Limonov with your "National Bolshevik Front")

http://www.another-israel.org/foto/sjezd/Picture026.jpg

http://www.another-israel.org/foto/sjezd/Picture031.jpg

[White Power]

I totally agree with you. It's stange how some "high ranks" of Vivamalta keep responding to the idiotic messages of these great imbecilles and why they donn't ban them.

After all, don't they make some of the threads so boring to read with their ridiculous comments?

[Vurtop]

Considering you are a newbie Vurtop,I reckon your comment was uncalled for and uneccessary.Do you know Herr Hoffmeister?

I've read his articles. He is a national bolshevik. He uses sickle and hammer at his page.

For me that is enough to have an idea about him.

P.S. I apologise If I used bad language.

[etoile noir]

I totally agree with you. It's stange how some "high ranks" of Vivamalta keep responding to the idiotic messages of these great imbecilles and why they donn't ban them.

After all, don't they make some of the threads so boring to read with their ridiculous comments?
ban them?? i consider the above to be a ridiculous comment not valid opposition. if we didnt have opposition we'd be sitting here preaching to the converted instead of having valid arguments with valid people.

[etoile noir]

Considering you are a newbie Vurtop,I reckon your comment was uncalled for and uneccessary.Do you know Herr Hoffmeister?
i know herr hoffmeister well enough to know that he laughs - a nice big belly laugh - when he provokes people enough for them to post like our newbie did ;)

welcome vurtrop. have you posted something about yourself in the newbie thread?

[Marco Polo]

well i for one am anti communist and refuse to behave like them in banning them. my personal belief is that they have both been drinking too much vodka and lost their minds.

one seems to be a fan of star wars (or he munches on magic mushrooms) and the other is some ex spin-doctor (or he could never get p***y back in the USA).

i consider debating them a form of masturbation. it isnt really debating but its a replacement that will have to do in place of sound arguments..

[etoile noir]

http://www8.brinkster.com/wankers/images/logo.gif

hilarious! i love it :D

[ogenoct]

The Russophobic tendencies on vivamalta are alive and well.

Constantin

[ogenoct]

Have a look at some pictures of the National Bolsheviks of Eduard Limonov (don't tell me that you are so-different than Limonov with your "National Bolshevik Front")

http://www.another-israel.org/foto/sjezd/Picture026.jpg

http://www.another-israel.org/foto/sjezd/Picture031.jpg

Glory to the NBP Israel!:

http://vivamalta.org/forum/showthread.php?t=7211

Constantin

[Marco Polo]

The Russophobic tendencies on vivamalta are alive and well.

Constantin

no, we just hate commies. if it wasnt communism that fucked up russians then russians would have to be fucked up already. choose.

[Marco Polo]

Glory to the NBP Israel!:

http://vivamalta.org/forum/showthread.php?t=7211

Constantin

pan european? my ass!

[ogenoct]

pan european? my ass!

You should talk! Russophobe! Unlike you, I am not staunchly opposed to a particular European ethnic group.

Constantin

[Vurtop]

You should talk! Russophobe! Unlike you, I am not staunchly opposed to a particular European ethnic group.

Constantin

No one is Russophobe. The real Russophobes are the judeo-communists, which you and your friends support.

[Vurtop]

Glory to the NBP Israel!:

http://vivamalta.org/forum/showthread.php?t=7211

Constantin

Everybody now knows that you and your national-bolshevik party are nothing but jewish puppets.

You the communists hate your own people and blood.

The communists are slaves of Juda.

Anyway. Most important is that in Russia as everywhere elss there are plenty of racial patriots, fighters against the communist traitors.

[ogenoct]

No one is Russophobe. The real Russophobes are the judeo-communists, which you and your friends support.

The Soviet Union was a continuation of the imperial tradition of Russia. Hence, anybody who is against the Soviet Union is really against Russia. Besides, Marco Polo (the administrator of this forum) called Russians "fucked up" and claimed that they are not worth preserving because of imaginary Oriental admixture. How much more Russophobic can one get? But since you are a Russophobe as well, you obviously have no problems with such comments.

Constantin

[Captain Marinesko]

Everybody now knows that you and your national-bolshevik party are nothing but jewish puppets.

Proof?



You the communists hate your own people and blood.

Proof?


The communists are slaves of Juda.

Proof?


Anyway. Most important is that in Russia as everywhere elss there are plenty of racial patriots, fighters against the communist traitors.

Yeah, they are a joke who will get their punishment for destroying the lives of millions of their countrymen as well as destroying the unity between Belarus, Rossiya, and Ukraine.

[Vurtop]

The Soviet Union was a continuation of the imperial tradition of Russia. Hence, anybody who is against the Soviet Union is really against Russia. Besides, Marco Polo (the administrator of this forum) called Russians "fucked up" and claimed that they are not worth preserving because of imaginary Oriental admixture. How much more Russophobic can one get? But since you are a Russophobe as well, you obviously have no problems with such comments.

Constantin

I am anti communist. The Bolshevik Revolution from 1917 was made almost entirely by jews Furthermore the non-Jews were not russians. You could find latvians, poles even some germans, but very very few russians.

The Russian People is the People of Peter I and Nicholas II. The communist Soviet "Russian" people is just a multiracial rabble.

The Real russians were fighting in behalf of the monarchy against the non-russian Jewish communist traitors and invaders.

I am sorry for you, my friend. It is very sad to see young people who support the communism. It doesn't matter wether they are in Russia, Malta, Germany or Bulgaria.

In my country the non-Bulgarian communist killed 300 000 people. Even in my family I have victim. My grandfather was killed in a jewish school by the communist traitors without judgement.

[Vurtop]

Proof?




Proof?



Proof?



Yeah, they are a joke who will get their punishment for destroying the lives of millions of their countrymen as well as destroying the unity between Belarus, Rossiya, and Ukraine.

The proves you can find in the documents. From nearly 500 leading bolsheviks, 447 were Jews.

I don't need proves. I am talking about facts and historical events.

The Ukrainian People are not russians. They are brave nation. At least they used to be. And historicaly Ukraine deserve its own independent state. During the war, many ukrainian patriots were fighting against the bolshevik invaders, either in the side of the Wermacht, or on their own.

http://www.ukemonde.com/shuchevych/UPALogoWeb.jpg

[Marco Polo]

I am anti communist. The Bolshevik Revolution from 1917 was made almost entirely by jews Furthermore the non-Jews were not russians. You could find latvians, poles even some germans, but very very few russians.

The Russian People is the People of Peter I and Nicholas II. The communist Soviet "Russian" people is just a multiracial rabble.

The Real russians were fighting in behalf of the monarchy against the non-russian Jewish communist traitors and invaders.

I am sorry for you, my friend. It is very sad to see young people who support the communism. It doesn't matter wether they are in Russia, Malta, Germany or Bulgaria.

In my country the non-Bulgarian communist killed 300 000 people. Even in my family I have victim. My grandfather was killed in a jewish school by the communist traitors without judgement.

well said comrade.

do you want to laugh? just like in 1917 these 'communists' (really they are westerners who are bored with themselves) are not russian either! one is german and the other is american. hilarious isnt it? how can people two of the greatest european nations (germany and america) stoop so low? it shows they were at the bottom of the heap back home i guess. i bet both drink themselves silly on a regular basis too.

communists and marxist inspired socialists are both the same. they use fake nationalism to woo the (sadly) mindless masses but thankfully so many have realised that they are simply slave masters with a lick of paint.

[shadow cup]

I'll note here that it seems somewhat senseless to be against 'Communism' (or any other economic system), a race, a creed or even an individual.

It makes a lot more sense to take issue with the facets of such collective entities (including the individual) as such is the only fashion that ideological progress can constructively be made.

All else is a perpetual deconstruction.

[shadow cup]

Why?

If one takes issue with the collective facets of a system,is this not the same as taking issue with a/the particular system collectively?

There is a big difference between saying that an argument is retarded and saying that particular aspects of an argument are retarded. Of course even this would not suffice in the absence of reasons.

To take a different example it is one thing to say 'shadow cup is retarded' and saying that 'shadow cup's views on (insert topic here) are retarded because (insert reason(s) here).'

In the later instance shadow cup would be able to respond to the allegation in a more direct fashion rather than having to cleanse himself of the mud as would have been flung in the former scenario.

The same applies to communism which can undoubtedly be broken down to many component issues and standpoints.


That is the idea from what I gather about debating.The good//bad points of a particular system or ideaology.This is what makes the world go around(apart from money). Communism, nazism, liberalism, zionism, feminism. Loads of ism's.What is good for one is not neccessarily good f'tother.That is why folk debate in order to perpetualy deconstruct each others arguments and ideaologys.
A debate properly conducted is a constructive affair. There is conflict involved but such remains between the contesting ideological aspects, ideally not ever involving the proponents of either. This is how strong ideologies become stronger while weaker ideologies sink into a phase of reformation, either to resurface to resume ideological conflict or to fade away into the night as being of lesser potential than at least one other ideology.

[Marco Polo]

I'll note here that it seems somewhat senseless to be against 'Communism' (or any other economic system), a race, a creed or even an individual.

It makes a lot more sense to take issue with the facets of such collective entities (including the individual) as such is the only fashion that ideological progress can constructively be made.

All else is a perpetual deconstruction.

when are you going take a solid stand on any issue? how is a leveling of all to one denominator a good thing?

what is good in advocating communism as a system? it never worked and never will.

[shadow cup]

when are you going take a solid stand on any issue? how is a leveling of all to one denominator a good thing?


Perhaps it is ego. I float the issues in orbit around myself, not the other way around. ^_~ I do not level denominators but rather take them by function and hence modular capacity.


what is good in advocating communism as a system? it never worked and never will.

Neither have national socialism, fascism, monarchy or capitalism in the past. There have been numerous examples of relative success stories but there have also been failures. The USSR is a failure. China still seems to be doing ok although it has adapted.

Communism as a fixed system did not work. This does not mean that the components than made up the communist system were all bad but rather it only showed that the combination of parts, and perhaps a few of those parts involved, were flawed and placed critical pressure upon the system as a whole.

Therefore it is possible for a neo-communist movement to fare a lot better than the predecessor for as long as it is not modeled around the predecessor but forged anew with new concepts.

[Marco Polo]

Perhaps it is ego. I float the issues in orbit around myself, not the other way around. ^_~ I do not level denominators but rather take them by function and hence modular capacity.



Neither have national socialism, fascism, monarchy or capitalism in the past. There have been numerous examples of relative success stories but there have also been failures. The USSR is a failure. China still seems to be doing ok although it has adapted.

Communism as a fixed system did not work. This does not mean that the components than made up the communist system were all bad but rather it only showed that the combination of parts, and perhaps a few of those parts involved, were flawed and placed critical pressure upon the system as a whole.

Therefore it is possible for a neo-communist movement to fare a lot better than the predecessor for as long as it is not modeled around the predecessor but forged anew with new concepts.

components in an entirely different argument. one could take a leaf out of the sovet space program but these are not advocating that. they are advocating a system that collapsed simply because it goes against human nature (greed) and so could never be kept alive for more than a couple of generations. elements of its own population will always eat it away from inside. this is besides the fact that there is little incentive to 'be the best' as you are in chains no matter what.

the other examples you gave did not collapse, they moved with the times and modified themselves or were crushed militarily. if you look and NS and fascism they had almost the entire world against them but kept fighting.

china is more capitalistic than malta. ignore the name as all it is is capitalism under a dictatorship that keeps things in check. in some ways it is more efficient than the west but as it removes our freedoms it is no good.

it is probably how the new world order will end up.

nostalgia is one thing but advocating a system such as communism is another. i wish russia was still communist in a way. it kept our capitalism in check.

[praefectus]

A classic here ....

I don't need proves. I am talking about facts and historical events.
http://www.ukemonde.com/shuchevych/UPALogoWeb.jpg

Translation: I heard about this on some nazi website, therefore, if I repeat it, it must be true.

For the record, I do not share National Bolshevic (in general) beliefs with anybody ... but the form of "debate" and thoughtful discussion on VM, I think, has it rock bottom.

[Captain Marinesko]

The proves you can find in the documents. From nearly 500 leading bolsheviks, 447 were Jews.

Would you like to tell me what "document" says that? Because real documents show that only 6.5% of the original central committee were Jews, and that was the highest number they ever had.


I don't need proves. I am talking about facts and historical events.

Without "proves", they aren't facts.


The Ukrainian People are not russians.

Yes they are. Check this out:

"Russian history" 988 CE- Prince Vladimir unites the local Slavic tribes and creates Kievian Rus.

"Ukrainian history" 988 CE- Prince Vladimir unites the local Slavic tribes and creates Kievian Rus


They are brave nation.

Yes, the majority bravely fought the Nazis to the last drop of blood, and also against the UPA/OUN traitors and cowards.



At least they used to be.

Yes, until Western Ukrainian nationalists who spent most of their lives outside of Ukraine decided to help screw everything up by rewriting history and the language.



And historicaly Ukraine deserve its own independent state. During the war, many ukrainian patriots were fighting against the bolshevik invaders, either in the side of the Wermacht, or on their own.

The vast majority resisted the Nazis, either in the partisans, the Red Army, or other civilian resistance(for which they were shot). The UPA "patriots" were mostly regarded as traitors by the majority of Ukraine(as the reports of OUN supporters revels), and were regarded as dupes by the Germans, particularly Erich Koch.

Ever the lying cowards, the modern OUN turned anti-Nazi, polishing its public image by claiming that they fought for "democracy" and that they actually fought the Nazis as well. There is nobody the Western Ukrainian nationalists wouldn't betray.



http://www.ukemonde.com/shuchevych/UPALogoWeb.jpg[/quote]

[Captain Marinesko]

Interesting point of view Captain.There are many Ukranians in Britain for whatever reason.

I remember this one chappie(Ukranian) that served in the Ukraine on the side of the Wehrmacht.He served with the flak crew on an 88mm flak gun(most probably by then in use as anti-tank).Every time he had too much to drink he would stand to attention(Wehrmacht style) and bark out the drill orders for the 88mm.I used to think this was hillarious.Incidentally, he served with the Wehrmacht as he was staunchiliy anti-communist.Is that a crime?

Yes it is a crime because he aided an enemy that slaughtered millions of Ukrainians as well as other nationalities in the occupied zones.

[Captain Marinesko]

:confused::confused:You use the hebrew calendar ?


CE= Common Era, the secular replacement for AD(Anno Domini)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Vladimir

[Marco Polo]

CE= Common Era, the secular replacement for AD(Anno Domini)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Vladimir

i am an atheist but i use AD. i refuse to abide by communist/jewish dating.

this is 2006AD

[Marco Polo]

Yes it is a crime because he aided an enemy that slaughtered millions of Ukrainians as well as other nationalities in the occupied zones.

like commie russians? too bad he didnt kill stalin.

[Gladiator]

Yes it is a crime because he aided an enemy that slaughtered millions of Ukrainians as well as other nationalities in the occupied zones.


And Stalin didn't El-Capitan:confused:

[Captain Marinesko]

i am an atheist but i use AD. i refuse to abide by communist/jewish dating.

this is 2006AD

Obviously you are a bit behind the times because this is 2007 CE.

[Captain Marinesko]

And Stalin didn't El-Capitan:confused:

No, "he" didn't. There was civil war and insurrections in in the Soviet Union, and many innocent lives on both sides were lost. However, unlike the Nazis who invaded the Soviet Union to steal Belarus, Ukraine, and European Russia to the Urals.

Furthermore, you will not find a single time period in Ukrainian history when the largest amount of the people had a better standard of living than during the Soviet era. Also in that era Ukrainians had far more power since all the resources of the Soviet Union were partially theirs, and only under the Soviet Union could a Ukrainian find himself as head of the entire state such as Khruschev.

[Marco Polo]

No, "he" didn't. There was civil war and insurrections in in the Soviet Union, and many innocent lives on both sides were lost. However, unlike the Nazis who invaded the Soviet Union to steal Belarus, Ukraine, and European Russia to the Urals.

Furthermore, you will not find a single time period in Ukrainian history when the largest amount of the people had a better standard of living than during the Soviet era. Also in that era Ukrainians had far more power since all the resources of the Soviet Union were partially theirs, and only under the Soviet Union could a Ukrainian find himself as head of the entire state such as Khruschev.

any idiot can plunder the rich and redistribute their wealth. when the cash ran out and the glory days could no longer be sustained bang went communism.

[Captain Marinesko]

any idiot can plunder the rich and redistribute their wealth. when the cash ran out and the glory days could no longer be sustained bang went communism.

What country are you talking about there? Oh and are you a materialist or idealist now, because you've been switching rather rapidly lately.

[Marco Polo]

I reckon it went when they put an alcoholic on the throne and he sold all the silverware to the oligarchs.:rolleyes:

it had already collapsed by then. the oligarchs turned resources into cash. the soviet system couldnt do that as there was no motivator: GREED.

[Marco Polo]

What country are you talking about there? Oh and are you a materialist or idealist now, because you've been switching rather rapidly lately.

i am neither and both.

i have the freedom to do that.

im talking about ukraine. steal from the rich and give to the poor. wow, anyone can do that.

[Captain Marinesko]

it had already collapsed by then. the oligarchs turned resources into cash. the soviet system couldnt do that as there was no motivator: GREED.

That's nonsense. The oligarchs made their money by buying up industries worth billions of dollars for a fraction of their established worth.

Is there no subject in history on which you will give a totally uninformed opinion?

[Marco Polo]

That's nonsense. The oligarchs made their money by buying up industries worth billions of dollars for a fraction of their established worth.

Is there no subject in history on which you will give a totally uninformed opinion?yes, after the collapse.

the union had already imploded and was finished. the corrupt bastards that had been running the show then bought up industry.

this will happen in whatever commie/socialist system you have because people are greedy.

[Captain Marinesko]

yes, after the collapse.

the union had already imploded and was finished. the corrupt bastards that had been running the show then bought up industry.

this will happen in whatever commie/socialist system you have because people are greedy.

You do realize at this point you clearly have no idea what you are talking about right?

Let's try this with other events in history, shall we?

The Confederate States of America won the Civil War when they defeated the Iraqis at the Battle of Austerlitz.

Christ, even WIKIPEDIA could set you straight on that issue.

I have very little faith in this, Imperium thing.

[Marco Polo]

You do realize at this point you clearly have no idea what you are talking about right?

Let's try this with other events in history, shall we?

The Confederate States of America won the Civil War when they defeated the Iraqis at the Battle of Austerlitz.

Christ, even WIKIPEDIA could set you straight on that issue.

I have very little faith in this, Imperium thing.

fuck off then and stop twisting my words. no one wants you here.

the oligarchs raped a country that was already FUCKED due to years of communism and its anti-competitive effects. the country was ultra inefficient and almost bankrupt.

the central and east european states have come along far better than russia has and they have capitalism. the people there protest AGAINST the old communists (such as hungary last year).

communism has never worked and never will work as people are naturally greedy. the elite will use their position to their own advantage. capitalism goes with the flow of greed and instead channels it. even the greatest idiot in the west can live well.

[Gladiator]

No, "he" didn't. There was civil war and insurrections in in the Soviet Union, and many innocent lives on both sides were lost. However, unlike the Nazis who invaded the Soviet Union to steal Belarus, Ukraine, and European Russia to the Urals.

Furthermore, you will not find a single time period in Ukrainian history when the largest amount of the people had a better standard of living than during the Soviet era. Also in that era Ukrainians had far more power since all the resources of the Soviet Union were partially theirs, and only under the Soviet Union could a Ukrainian find himself as head of the entire state such as Khruschev.


What the F... you commies always use the same argument that every human tragedy was a big lie. The Jews say that the Nazis killed 6 million. Well they got in the way such a colossal world war how else 6 million would have perished?

The Turks use the same argument about their Armenian massacres. They Armenians got in the way cause there was a WWl! What logic?

[Marco Polo]

Don't worry Glad.You will get used to the Captain.After all,it was Captain Marinesko who was the drunkard soviet submarine captain that sunk the Wilhelf Gustloff with over 9000 souls on board mainly women and children in WW2.But as usual with our Captain,it was the german civilians fault for being on the boat cuz when Captain Marinesko launched his torpedoes,he didn't know there were civilians on board.:rolleyes:Now that is logical no, Glad:confused::rolleyes:indeed, the captain would have prob been drunk at the time anyway.

[Marco Polo]

Captain Marinesko was a known drunkard.His military record says so(although they gave him one of those hero of the soviet empire thingies).When he sunk the Gustloff,Marinesko was basically on his last chance.Before the mission his men had to go look for him and sober him up.Feckin arschloch !

methinks ogenoct and our own marinesko got their usernames mixed up then.

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Constantin von Hoffmeister, a young German with an appearance of a Nordic
Aryan, was educated in the USA. He is like a fresh wind for the Russian
world. He is the visual personification of the eternal Germanic spirit of
“Sturm und Drang” (Storm and Stress), of the deep (Aryan) genetic code,
calling for self-actualization and freedom.

Moreover, he is a poet whose mind is operating not in the primitive terms of
modern sociology, but with artistic images, symbols and myths. And this
magic can be understood only by those who are born sighted.

Our new author does not write long and boring essays for scientific
libraries. His essays are short, but rich in content and full of inner
energy. By their boldness, vividness and volitional romanticism they are
like sermons of Nietzsche and speeches of Varg Vikerness. It is the
uncompromising and steadfast spirit of Zarathustra, the laughing triumpher.
Our acquaintance began via the Internet, which was quite usual. First there
were Constantin’s reactions to ATHENAEUM and an order of a RUSSLAND UND
DEUTSCHLAND booklet, then came an offer to meet for an exchange of views. By
that time I knew nothing about Constantin von Hoffmeister and was not quite
inclined to talk to him. But when it turned out that he is a journalist,
writing for right-wing newspapers like NATIONAL VANGUARD, that he has been
to India and has visited the museum of Chandra Bose, my restrained interest
developed into curiosity.

The next day, my new acquaintance sent me some of his essays by e-mail and
invited me to visit his website. For my trained eye, only one glance at the
titles of the essays was enough to produce the following diagnosis: National
Bolshevism, strongly influenced by Nordicism and technocraticism, directed
towards the future. The author himself names his doctrine “National
Futurism.” Praiseworthy, of course, but we have already had enough of
Futurism (Futurism is what we have studied).

When Constantin von Hoffmeister began sending me his new short essays, the
effect of penetration into his works reached a new level. The details of
intellectual growth and the nuances of his crystallizing doctrine showed.
The only thing that had not changed was the powerful will of the new blood.
It was a nice surprise for me that a young German, who came from the US, is
also familiar with scientific, not ideologized, doctrines of the origin of
the Aryans and is not afraid to consider an obvious fact: The (ancient)
Aryans, coming to Europe from Asia, did not belong to the European races.
They invaded the areas of the indigenous population of Europe. Like the
legendary Vanes who fought the Ases, like the Slavs and the Cimmerians who
deterred the aggressive onslaughts of the Iranians and the Caucasian tribes,
the units of the Waffen-SS had challenged the Aryan part of Europe, though
the main excuse, as we all know, was different.

Most historians agree that in Communism (not the doctrine of Marx in itself,
but in its real historical realization) there was a good deal of “true
Nordic Aryan” cultural elements: the warrior cult of the “Hero,” the Eternal
Fire, the Soviet architecture of “Stalin’s Gothicism” and the “Soviet
Empire.” The fact that the Swastika, which was accepted by the revolutionary
Provisional Government of Russia (for banknotes and military symbols) as a
state symbol, was later replaced by the Red Star influenced the cultural
background and the Soviet way of life, but it did not change the essence of
the people’s existence.

Constantin von Hoffmeister realizes that the war between the Third Reich and
the USSR was in fact a realization of Churchill and Roosevelt’s bloody
plans. Now that we have studied Anthony Sutton’s works we can add to that:
These were the plans of the “Skull and Bones” secret order whose dirty
tentacles permeated Europe during the First World War. In honor of the White
heroes, who fell in fratricidal battles, we must learn this lesson of
history.

Hence, our German comrade calls upon us to create the New Empire – a
synthesis of the Third Rome, the Third Reich, and the USSR - which will
resist the aggressive monopolistic appetites of AmeriKa. But for the final
victory, the new superstate, however it will be called, must be built upon
the principles of “anti-imperialism.” However paradoxically it may sound,
the “anti-imperial” empire suggests a union of free states, based on federal
principles. The idea has nothing to do with Lenin’s “right to
self-determination,” but with the notion of decentralization, to be
established in the constitution. Such a dynamic synarchy can become a living
alternative to the pro-NATO European Union. Let the Germans consider the
right of the Sorbs of Lujick for their autonomy, as well as the Russians
should admit the rights of the Ukraine. And let the capital of the new
confederation be chosen by the European peoples, not by the capitalist
sharks of the West!

The center of the world is shifting towards the East. But not to Central
Asia or China! Being once fond of the Eurasian Movement, Constantin von
Hoffmeister finally listened to the voice of his blood and common sense. Who
will lead the gigantic Eurasian empire if the percentage of White blood is
being reduced as we reach the Pacific Ocean? Who will colonize the enormous
areas of Siberia, Asia and the Far East? If we take the Eurasian principle,
“soil before blood,” we can already admit our defeat to the Asians, the
Chinese and the Muslims of the Caucasus whose ethnical expansion is a menace
to our future. Hence, considering the importance of geopolitics, our young
German comrade establishes the natural principle: “Blood before Soil!”
Biopolitics vs. Geopolitics – the ultimate challenge!

Finally, an audacious National Futurist attacks the holiest of the holies of
traditional National Socialism. He openly criticizes the Fascist cult of the
state and the cult of the Party leader (Fuehrer, Duce, Caudillo, etc.). Hr.
von Hoffmeister argues that the Europeans originally lived in free
communities and exposes the Semitic origin of Hitler’s messianism. The White
master needs no guide or leader, and the bureaucratic state, as a threat to
his personal freedom, cannot be an ideal of the state. “The Messiah is dead,
Hail our Race!” – von Hoffmeister proclaims. “Aryan Anti-Fascism” is the
only solution!

As we can see, Constantin von Hoffmeister’s doctrines are based on logic,
honesty and common sense. In principle, there is nothing new in his
right-wing criticism of Fascism. But what a shock the “Manifesto of Aryan
Anti-Fascism” caused among the western NS scene! The leaders of the NAU
(Nation of the Aryan Union) stigmatized him as a traitor to White
nationalism and openly declared him an enemy. The criticism of Hitler,
Mussolini, National Socialism and Fascism is an absolute taboo for them.
But wasn’t it Hitler who led the Germans and the Third Reich to the national
catastrophe? Did not Erich von Ludendorff in 1931 and Karl Haushofer in 1941
predict this collapse? The Party conspiracies against Hitler and attempts to
kill the Fuehrer must also be taken into consideration. And there is no
sense in blaming Jews and Red commissars for that. The Jews newer needed
Hitler – they needed Israel which they now have, and the Soviet government
had signed the advantageous non-aggression pact of Molotov-Ribbentrop which
was broken by Hitler.

There are a lot of Hitler fans nowadays, pretending that he was an “avatar,”
ready to accept the responsibility for the Holocaust in any shape or form
(imagined or real), ready to revitalize the implacable anti-Sovietism and
even anti-Slavism.

But don’t you think that this not our karma? Hitler’s lack of knowledge
about the Aryan, Slavic, Russian and Soviet world must never be the reason
for our own misunderstanding. And, as we can see, when even native Germans
like Constantin von Hoffmeister understand the crisis of Hitlerism, why
should not Slavs understand that?

Gentlemen, we now live in the XXI century, the age of Krita Yuga, as wise
men say. Let us leave the dead to the dead and the living to the living!

Then we shall see the prospects of the White superstate, not led by
Americans, Germans or Russians, but providing all the European nations an
ability to work together and fight shoulder to shoulder!

Translated by Efim Romanenko
August 18, 2005


A fair assessment of Constantin von Hoffmeister, beautifully written.
Notice the pan-European, convergent, almost identical views of Pavel Tulaev with ours.
Substitute Imperium to White-superstate in the ultimate paragraph and we are there.

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