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PERICLES
17thApril2005, 17:12
Why Is Africa Poor?

Just as American blacks blame whites for their failures, Africans deny responsibility for the misery they bring on themselves.


By William Robertson Boggs

Black Africa is the poorest part of the world by far. It is in Africa that we find countries like Zaire, Ethiopia, Chad, and the Sudan, where gross national product per person is less than $200 a year. The 41 nations of sub-Saharan Africa produce no more wealth than the tiny country of Belgium, which has only one forty-fifth as many people. Of all of the region's economic production, white-run South Africa accounts for three quarters.

Numbers like these mean that Africans live in misery so desperate that Americans can scarcely imagine it. Every year, thousands of Africans die of starvation. In bad years, hundreds of thousands starve. Even in tropical parts of Africa untouched by famine, as many as one third of all children die before the age of five. One in a hundred births kills the mother. Malaria, sleeping sickness, hepatitis, leprosy, and AIDS are rampant.

Nevertheless, the population of Africa grows faster than that of any other region of the world. The total number of children, grand children, and great-grand children that the average American woman will have is 14. The equivalent figure for the average African woman is 258! Despite the ravages of disease, starvation, and inter-tribal warfare, Africa's population increases by more than three percent a year. At that rate, populations can double in 20 years.

Standard Explanations

Why is Africa poor? The standard explanations blame anyone but the Africans. Colonization by whites, it is said, kept Africa poor. The slave trade depleted the continent and impoverished it. Multinational corporations plundered it.
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Just as blacks in America seek to explain their own failings by blaming them on whites, Africans explain their own poverty by blaming Europe. Recently, this is how a broadcast on Somalia's state-owned radio attacked the BBC for reporting uncomplimentary facts: The BBC's day dream . . . was to succeed once again in looting at will the abundant natural resources both on land and at sea in the third world, particularly in Africa. The colonial bogeyman still lives.



The argument that colonization accounts for Africa's poverty is so easily refuted that it should have gone out of currency long ago. That it has not can be attributed only to the apparently endless capacity of whites to accept arguments that paint them as villain.
There is no reason to think that, left to themselves, Africans would have risen from the primitive conditions in which Europeans found them.

To believe that colonization thwarted the economic development of Africa is to believe that indigenous societies were on their way towards prosperity but were brutally shoved off course by Europeans. In fact, African societies south of the Sahara that had not had contact either with Europeans or with Middle Eastern traders showed no signs of modern development. No pre-contact African society had devised a written language or had discovered the wheel. None had a calendar, or built multi-story buildings. No African had learned how to domesticate animals. The smelting of iron was widespread, as was fire-hardened pottery, but the continent did not produce anything that could be called a mechanical device.

Africans had no concept of the biological origins of disease, and attributed personal misfortunes to the work of evil spirits. Slavery was widely practiced, and deeply rooted in Africa long before the arrival of Europeans. There is no reason to think that, left to themselves, Africans would have risen from the primitive conditions in which Europeans found them.

The European slave trade, though unquestionably harmful to Africa, was hardly the depopulating scourge it is often made out to be. When the 15th century Portuguese began sailing down the coast, they met long-established slave traders keen to sell off surpluses. Europeans almost never went on slaving expeditions into the interior. They bought slaves from dealers, which means that slaves taken from Africa were first enslaved by other Africans.

At the same time, Europeans introduced two New World staples that could be stored — cassava and corn — revolutionizing the African food supply. The sudden increase in population more than made up for losses to the European slave trade which, in any case, ended by the middle of the 19th century.

It was trade with Europeans that introduced modernity to iron-age Africa. Far from hobbling and holding the continent back, colonization laid the foundations for whatever evidence of economic progress can now be found in Africa. It was Europeans who built roads and rail lines, introduced piped water, schools and telecommunications, and built national administrations. Nothing suggests that Africans would have achieved any of this on their own.

There is no question but that life for Africans improved steadily under colonization. By the 1960s, when most of Africa became independent, the region exported food. Now, it devours more than $1 billion a year in Western food aid, and thousands still starve.

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It is possible to argue that Africans might have been better off if they had been left entirely alone. This is to take a romantic view of the disease, tribal warfare, slavery, and ignorance that were widespread on the continent. Moreover, no African group that has glimpsed the possibilities of Western progress has opted to return to purely African primitivism. This suggests that Africans themselves would rather have the benefits of Western technology than do without them. Given that people naturally yearn for medical advance and material progress, colonization was an obvious and striking benefit to Africa.

The benefits are particularly clear in any comparison of those parts of Africa that were colonized with those that were not. Ethiopia remained independent except for a brief occupation by Italy during the 1930s. It is the poorest country on the continent, with an annual per capita gross national product (GNP) of $130. Eritrea, which was absorbed by Ethiopia after the Second World War, had been an Italian colony for 50 years. It is more advanced in every way. Though it has only three percent of Ethiopia's population, it has 30 percent of its industry. It recently won a decades-old war of independence against Ethiopia.

An equally stark contrast can be found in West Africa. Ivory Coast, heavily colonized by the French, is much better developed than neighboring Liberia, which was founded by freed American slaves in 1822. Liberians, apparently unaware of the political heresy they are uttering, freely attribute the miserable state of their country to its having gone without "the benefits of colonization."

The Decline Since Independence

What about Africa since independence? During the first few years, while some European procedures were still being followed, the standard of living in Africa continued to improve. It is in the last 20 years, during which Africans themselves have shaped their own nations, that conditions have deteriorated spectacularly. Virtually without exception, Africans have failed to build modern economies.

In the last dozen years, per capita GNP has fallen every year in Africa. By 1989, per capita food production in Africa was only three quarters what it had been in 1970. In 1985, an estimated 25 percent of African pre-school children suffered from acute protein deficiency. Only five years later, an estimated 40 percent did.

It is not as though Africa has been neglected by white countries. Since the 1960s, they have poured more than $300 billion in aid into the continent. Tanzania, a favorite target for Scandinavian largess, received $8.6 billion between 1970 and 1988 — more than four times its 1988 GNP. By that year, Tanzania's annual per capita GNP was a pitiful $160, lower than at independence in 1961.

Obviously, it is much easier for undeveloped nations to copy the tried and tested technology of nations that have gone before. They need not invent telephones or electric power generators. They need only install and maintain what Europeans have invented. Africans cannot or will not.

Mobutu the Messiah

Often African "leaders" are outright pirates whose only interest is in enriching themselves and their cronies. Zaire's Mobutu Sese Seku is perhaps the worst. He has been in power since 1965, and has looted the country of an amount estimated to be between two and ten billion dollars. Either figure would make him one of the richest men in the world. He owns chateaus or estates in France, Belgium, Switzerland, and Ivory Coast. He has 11 palaces in Zaire itself, including one in his home village of Gbadolite that is so lavish it is known as the Versailles of the Jungle. Mr. Mobutu likes to be called "Messiah," and has worked up a personality cult for his hotel-maid mother that rivals that of the Virgin Mary.

Zaire, which is blessed with diamonds, gold, silver, copper, and uranium, should be one of the richest countries in the world. Today it has a per capita annual GNP of $180. The World Bank has calculated that from 1973 to 1985, per capita income fell by 3.9 percent every year, and is now one tenth what it was in 1960 when the country became independent of Belgium.
Rarely do African leaders show the slightest evidence that they have any concern for their people.

Zaire has not built a hospital in 20 years. In the ones that still remain, nurses and doctors must be bribed to do their work. Road maintenance is so primitive that the 1,100-mile drive from the Atlantic to Zaire's eastern border that used to take two days now takes three weeks. In the rainy season, the trip may be impossible. Reliable electricity and plumbing are hazy memories from the colonial past.

Rarely do African leaders show the slightest evidence that they have any concern for their people. Consider Madagascar. When the French controlled the island, they nearly succeeded in wiping out the malaria mosquito. When the Malagasies were given independence, they let public health programs fall into decay. By 1988, when 100,000 people had died of the disease in just six months, the national malaria-control laboratory owned one Bunsen burner and two old microscopes. The Swiss government, under World Bank auspices, has offered to donate 300 million tablets of anti-malarial drugs — enough to treat the entire population for two years — but the Madagascar government insists on selling them rather than handing them out free. This ensures that most people won't get them and that a few government officials will get even richer than they already are.

In the Sudan, where starving people are so desperate that they sell their children into slavery, government authorities refuse to let western relief agencies operate unless they pay fat bribes. Even then, aid convoys are often attacked and pillaged by government soldiers who then sell relief supplies for their own profit.

In Zambia, the percentage of government spending that goes to education dropped from 19 percent in 1972 to 8 percent in 1987, even though the number of students doubled. Zambia's president, Kenneth Kaunda, has stolen so much of the state budget that he is estimated to be worth as much as $6 billion. In the capital, Lusaka, only an estimated one half of city employees actually work.
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Ivory Coast is putting the finishing touches on a $280 million Catholic cathedral made of marble, ivory, and gold. By papal request, the cupola will stand a few feet lower than that of St. Peter's in Rome, but Our Lady of Peace will still be able to accommodate 300,000 worshipers at a time. The cathedral is located, not in the capital, but 130 miles inland in the home village of former president Houphouet-Boigny. By strange coincidence, the nation's only divided highway also runs to the same village, though it has little commerce with the capital. Upon his death, Mr. Houphouet-Boigny intends to be laid to rest, amid much pomp and official mourning, beneath Our Lady's dome.

Ivory Coast, on which France has lavished not only a great deal of aid but thousands of technical advisors, is, relatively speaking, an African success story. Nevertheless, its merchant class is almost exclusively Lebanese, and extravagances like the cathedral have forced the government to default on its international obligations.

National Incompetence

When African governments are not openly plundering their people, they are simply incompetent. Sierra Leone, which should be rich from its gold, diamonds, and fertile farm land, is nearly as much of a disaster as deserts like Chad or the Central African Republic. The currency, the leone, has been so unstable that farmers smuggle their produce out for sale in Ivory Coast. In 1987, diamond traders found they had to pay so many near-worthless leones for diamonds that they began to withdraw currency from banks by the truckload. When this happens, most governments simply print more banknotes. Sierra Leone, which has its currency printed in England, didn't even have enough money to pay for paper and ink. Currency disappeared, and the economy temporarily reverted to barter.

In Africa, natural wealth seems only to increase the scale of national follies. Nigeria, an oil producer and member of OPEC, is wasting a fortune trying to build a steel industry. The site the Nigerians have chosen is far away from iron ore, coking coal, or transport routes.

At the same time, government-subsidized gasoline sells for about 40 cents a gallon — the cheapest price in the world — so Nigerians waste fuel and import more cars than the economy can afford. Tanker loads of artificially cheap gasoline are smuggled out for sale in neighboring countries. Waste in the oil industry is so great, that Nigeria cannot meet its OPEC export quota. Twenty years from now, when Nigeria has pumped its oil wells dry, it will have little to show for them.

Africa and AIDS

One disservice that many African governments do their people is to deny that AIDS is ravaging their countries. Zimbabwe's is one of the worst. Though no one knows for sure, a quarter of the adult population — millions of people — may be infected, but the government officially reported only 499 cases of AIDS in 1989. At the central hospital of Harare, the capital, AIDS kills more children than any other disease. Still, government authorities refuse to recognize the problem or disseminate public health information. When criticized for its silence, the state-controlled press complained about "the slurs on Africans brought about by the West's obsessive determination to blame AIDS on Africa."

In the mean time, Africans continue to infect each other at a great rate. For reasons that are not entirely understood, many Africans seem to get AIDS through heterosexual intercourse. Rich Africans are often very promiscuous, so the millions who will be dying over the next decade will be from the upper classes. One doctor estimates that 80 percent of Zimbabwe's best-paid men are infected. AIDS could put an end to Africa's rocketing population growth and even cause a serious decline, beginning around the year 2010.

Just as Western governments and aid agencies refuse to criticize African dictators for fear of being called "racist," the Western press is squeamish about reporting African savagery. In April 1991, Muslims and Christians in northern Nigeria started a small war against each other that may have left as many as one thousand dead. The streets of the town of Bauchi were littered with decapitated corpses, but few Americans ever heard about it.
The press prefers to skip lightly over news of this kind, to avoid complaints from American blacks about 'negative stereotypes.'

In the summer of 1988, the majority Tutsis of Burundi sent in the army to slaughter some 5,000 minority Hutu tribesmen. This was a repetition of a similar exercise in 1972, when Tutsi soldiers killed an estimated 100,000 unarmed Hutu. Neither event got much attention. In 1991, when Liberian rebel leaders captured the former president, Samuel K. Doe, they first tortured him to death. Then they carved off his lips, ears, and genitals and put his body on public display.

The press prefers to skip lightly over news of this kind, to avoid complaints from American blacks about "negative stereotypes." Of course, if white South African police shoot into a menacing crowd of blacks, it is front-page news.

Except for South Africa, whose government seeks the consent of the (white) electorate, and for one or two newcomers to democracy like Botswana, African governments rule by brute force. Since 1957, there have been 150 African heads of state, but only six gave up power voluntarily. All the rest died in office, were murdered, or were thrown out in military coups. In virtually every African country, the people who rule are the people who own the weapons. This explains why African countries spent $2.2 billion on imported weapons in 1983 while they spent only $1.7 billion on medical care. Until it was overthrown in 1991, the Ethiopian government was spending 60 percent of its revenue on the military.

Impermissible Explanations

Why, then, is Africa poor? For anyone who has looked into the question, there seems to be little doubt that Africans have brought misery upon themselves. Whether it be in Africa, Haiti, or Washington (DC) (see book review (http://amren.com/921issue/921issue.html#article3), this page), Africans show little evidence of an ability to organize and run a modern economy. Just as blacks have made wastelands of those parts of the United States in which they are a majority and over which they exercise authority, so have Africans desolated a continent bursting with riches.

Of course, it is not permissible to conclude that this is because of natural, genetic handicaps from which blacks suffer, so anti-white arguments inevitably rush in to fill the explanatory void. Blacks the world over, whether they live only among themselves or among people of other races, are said to lead lives of failure and misery only because whites have oppressed them in the past and continue to oppress them in the present. It makes no difference that this explanation falls apart under scrutiny; it is the only one that is permitted because the alternative does not conform to current political dogma. There can be no pleasure in saying so, but the facts point to one conclusion. Whether in Africa or America, Haiti or Great Britain, blacks are poor because they are, for the most part, incapable of lifting themselves from poverty. Africa is poor, just as Harlem is poor, because it is populated by Africans.

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Marco Polo
17thApril2005, 17:21
we should write something similar and distribute it door to door :)

PERICLES
17thApril2005, 17:23
we should write something similar and distribute it door to door :)

Ifhem in-nies iktar jinteressom dwar il-klandestini li jigu Malta aktar milli dawk li baqghu fl-Afrika.

Marco Polo
17thApril2005, 17:26
the morons do, yes. what about those with a greater capacity for thought? shouldnt they be given reason WHY we shouldnt accept afro-immigrants?

We would distribute it to middle class neighbourhoods mainly and perhaps some more affluent areas.

PERICLES
17thApril2005, 17:28
the morons do, yes. what about those with a greater capacity for thought? shouldnt they be given reason WHY we shouldnt accept afro-immigrants?

We would distribute it to middle class neighbourhoods mainly and perhaps some more affluent areas.

Exactly. Different kinds of information to different kinds of people. Not everyone understands technicalities. You must ensure that everyone understands us.

SetteCento
17thApril2005, 20:45
The thread's answer for it's question is the same first sentence on the above article:Africans deny responsibility for the misery they bring on themselves.

They had never been responsabble to them selves !
just as simple as that!

SetteCento
17thApril2005, 20:48
They lived always in misery as misery has become their only single heritage they left behind and THEY will bring misery to us if we open to them our doors!!

Florian Geyer
17thApril2005, 21:33
"AIDS could put an end to Africa's rocketing population growth and even cause a serious decline, beginning around the year 2010."[quote]

Warning by PERICLES: Racist remarks ARE NOT permitted and no one is above the rules on this website. Further racist remarks will result in moderation and even banning if necessary and I mean it.

Virgil
17thApril2005, 22:02
Li tinkwetani hi din. Hemm tribujiet li jitqatlu bejniethom ghas semplici raguni li gejjin min tribujiet differenti (in Maltese terms qisek qed tghid l Azzopardi joqtlu l Borg). Genetikament (ma nemminx wisq fhekk), kulturament etc huma kwazi l istess. Issa, jekk dawn mhumiex kapaci jghixu flimkien bejn l 'ahwa' mela kif nipretendu li dawn jistaw jintegraw fpajjiz fejn in nies huma estetikament, kulturalment u finanzjarjament TANT Differenti? Mhux ta bxejn li fl Ewropa aktar u aktar pajjizi qed jaghmlu min kollox biex jikkontrollaw l influss ta dawn l 'imsieken'!

PERICLES
17thApril2005, 22:07
Sorry Pericles, I honestly didn't see that as a racist comment.I just read the post, picked out a sentence that reflected what I thought and just posted it as a general comment.If you notice the sometimes trivial banter that Marco polo and I indulge in you'll see that it was a flippant comment.This is nothing more than potteries humour on my part. I'll try not to do it again.:(

Humour can be easily distorted into racism. I'm sure that people like the one who went to the JRS conference with quotes from this site would make a comedy out of a comment like that. Try not to give a chance to these people to label us racists.

To everyone: Read your posts twice before posting them.

Virgil
17thApril2005, 22:12
Humour can be easily distorted into racism. I'm sure that people like the one who went to the JRS conference with quotes from this site would make a comedy out of a comment like that. Try not to give a chance to these people to label us racists.

To everyone: Read your posts twice before posting them.

Amen Pericles

Niccolo
15thSeptember2005, 22:28
This is something I posted somewhere else, but it fits perfectly in this thread:

I always tell ppl that africa is a bottomless well. The more aid (food medicine etc) the white man gives, the more they reproduce themselves, so then they have even bigger problems, more famine, thus need more help. It's a vicious circle. It's better to let them swim or sink on their own.

The famous expression feed a man and he won't be hungry, but teach him how to grow his own food and he'll never be hungry again (or something along those lines) is not valid for africa. The white man has been trying to teach africans how to be independent for ages, with no result. They'd rather beg for aid. Their reasoning goes along the lines of - we're all human beings, so why should the whites be so rich and we so poor? Whites should share their wealth with us.

Add to that corrupt governments, wars and war lords and you have the present day situation.

Einherjar
16thSeptember2005, 09:04
So the 'white man' has been expanding into Africa to teach them independence? Or "for ages" refers to the last 40 years?
I agree with you that aid will solve nothing, but reducing globalism and the "world of networks" to this does not make any sense.

carlos
16thSeptember2005, 09:34
L-afrika fqira ghax:

Il-Mulej berikhom u baghtilhom il-hakem Abjad, li kien kapaci jmexxi, u li kien kapaci johroghom mid-dlamijiet tal-gungla.......u huma Keccewh!

allah sehithom u baghtilhom l-kuran u l-islam, u qallhom obduh u onorawh.......u huma Ghozzuh!

Abramortiis
16thSeptember2005, 12:25
Why africans are poor? Very simple: because they are stupid lazy, arogant impulsive savages. They should have been an example to the whole world with thier rich land ..... but instead they showed everyone how ignorant and lazy asses they are!

Velvet Mite
16thSeptember2005, 12:45
The reason for Africa's poverty is Bad Government which, with very few exceptions is what they have been lumbered with since the Colonial Powers saw no point in wasting any more money on them and left.
Most Africans, in Africa, are not bad people, but their leaders are all lazy and incompetent at best, and more usually corrupt, kleptocratic, or downright weird.
Africans will also never admit to making a mistake and so they are unable to correct the ones they make.
This is why, in spite all the money in Aid that has disappeared into Africa, a Continent which was easily developed and managed by a few thousand laid back Europeans is fast returning to Neolithic times.
Yoy have to be incredibly stupid and incompetent to destroy a continent that has everything going for it, but Black Africans have achieved the seemingly impossible.
And these are the same people that our leaders want to bring in so that they will soon outnumber us!!

Marco Polo
16thSeptember2005, 14:30
both abra and mite are correct

Mirko
16thSeptember2005, 14:39
Equal or Unequal? The question of whether Africans are, on average, equal in intelligence to whites is important both in the United States and in Britain. Dr. Baker therefore devotes considerable space to 19th-century accounts of African societies before they came into sustained contact with foreigners. This is the only sure way to know how far they had been able to advance without outside influence. Every explorer found a remarkable poverty of development. No black African society had a written language or a calendar. None used the wheel or practiced joinery or built multi-story buildings. Iron smelting was common but no black Africans built what could be called a mechanical device, even one so simple as a hinge. Africans apparently tamed no animals themselves but received already-domesticated dogs and cattle from north of the Sahara. None used any beast of burden, despite the presence of large mammals that could have been tamed. Although African societies are today described as having rich oral histories, this was by no means universal. A few tribes did have men who could recite the histories of their kings, but many were completely ignorant of the past. The Ovaherero tribe, for example, kept no count of years at all. Slavery and polygamy were widespread. Arbitrary execution of subjects by rulers or wives by husbands was common. A few tribes ate human flesh though even some of their own members seem to have rejected this custom. Some coastal natives, seeing slaves being fed before being loaded onto ships for export, believed that Europeans intended to eat them.

Quote from American Renaissance magazine November, 1993

TGHID IL-VERITA FUQ IL-HISTORY AFRIKANA HUWA RAZZISMU!

Gladiator
16thSeptember2005, 14:49
TGHID IL-VERITA FUQ IL-HISTORY AFRIKANA HUWA RAZZISMU!No, Mirko it is true what you have quoted. You should read King Loepold of Belgium's Gongo. Titwahhax!

Marco Polo
16thSeptember2005, 14:56
TGHID IL-VERITA FUQ IL-HISTORY AFRIKANA HUWA RAZZISMU!

yes it is

Einherjar
16thSeptember2005, 16:03
Equal or Unequal? The question of whether Africans are, on average, equal in intelligence to whites is important both in the United States and in Britain. Dr. Baker therefore devotes considerable space to 19th-century accounts of African societies before they came into sustained contact with foreigners. This is the only sure way to know how far they had been able to advance without outside influence. Every explorer found a remarkable poverty of development. No black African society had a written language or a calendar. None used the wheel or practiced joinery or built multi-story buildings. Iron smelting was common but no black Africans built what could be called a mechanical device, even one so simple as a hinge. Africans apparently tamed no animals themselves but received already-domesticated dogs and cattle from north of the Sahara. None used any beast of burden, despite the presence of large mammals that could have been tamed. Although African societies are today described as having rich oral histories, this was by no means universal. A few tribes did have men who could recite the histories of their kings, but many were completely ignorant of the past. The Ovaherero tribe, for example, kept no count of years at all. Slavery and polygamy were widespread. Arbitrary execution of subjects by rulers or wives by husbands was common. A few tribes ate human flesh though even some of their own members seem to have rejected this custom. Some coastal natives, seeing slaves being fed before being loaded onto ships for export, believed that Europeans intended to eat them.

This is a perfect example of scientific positivism, the belief that one can scientifically measure the value of human societies and that humans are destined to evolve into various stages of progress (eg. stone age, iron age, etc...)

Such belief stems out from the christian concepts of 'beginning' and 'end', that the human starts from nothing and is destined to reach an end through different evolutionary stages (somewhat like a strategy game).
Discoveries like iron smelting, language, the wheel, agriculture, etc.. in themselves do not contribute for the survival of the specie but are rather spontaneous developments dependent on the environmental conditions of a society.

The same applies to evolution, was the ape destined to evolve into a human? Of course not - that would require a conscious universal entity such as God.

Volcano
16thSeptember2005, 16:22
The same applies to evolution, was the ape destined to evolve into a human? Of course not - that would require a conscious universal entity such as God.

Where does that place Africans? The missing link perhaps? It does make sense, in fact it is quite obvious from the physical and mental characteristics.

As for 'God', why would a conscious universal entity create such a mess as we have on Earth? Trying to explain the hitherto unknown with fantasies of superior beings is, well, naive?

Einherjar
16thSeptember2005, 16:35
Where does that place Africans? The missing link perhaps? It does make sense, in fact it is quite obvious from the physical and mental characteristics.
Place Africans in what? Intelligence, strength, sense of survival, what??

As for 'God', why would a conscious universal entity create such a mess as we have on Earth? Trying to explain the hitherto unknown with fantasies of superior beings is, well, naive?
What the hell are you talking about? Scientific positivism itself, which i criticized, bases its reasoning on such entitities.

BNPLOVER
18thOctober2005, 12:53
africa is so poor cos all the people are rolling around in beimers and lambos with 50 cent and his homies throwing massive parties instead of saving :D

Maltese80
18thOctober2005, 13:00
The same applies to evolution, was the ape destined to evolve into a human? Of course not - that would require a conscious universal entity such as God.

Humans could end up degenerating in unconscious or semi-conscious animals again. One might even ask if this degeneration actually has already began. Are we better or worse than the humans of 100, 1000 years ago?

Jean Gove`
18thOctober2005, 13:32
Two points to make:

1. There is no reason to think that, left to themselves, Africans would have risen from the primitive conditions in which Europeans found them.
Whose standards are reflected in "risen", "primitive conditions"?

2. While Liberals certainly do blame everyone except African blacks in assessing Africa's poverty and anarchy, most here seem prepared to blame everyone except European conquest.

praefectus
18thOctober2005, 13:50
1. Whose standards? Obviously ours since they're the only ones that matter ...

2. What about the countries that Westerners did NOT bless with "conquest?" What about those, like INDIA, that did get conquered and now are growing world powers?

The only problem with Africa is that it's full of Africans, period ... whites who lived (and continue to live there) don't seem to have problems ...



Two points to make:

1.
Whose standards are reflected in "risen", "primitive conditions"?

2. While Liberals certainly do blame everyone except African blacks in assessing Africa's poverty and anarchy, most here seem prepared to blame everyone except European conquest.

Jean Gove`
18thOctober2005, 15:02
1. Why do those standards apply to others indiscriminately?

2. Well, in comparing between colonized countries one has to take in all aspects. Malta was also a colonized countries and while there are a number of negative/positive effects which can be traced back to colonialism, one could not with any degree of accuracy compare British colonialism and its effects in Malta with, say, British colonialism and its effects in India, or with European colonialism and its effects in Africa.

And well, India is a growing world power to the detriment of everything Indian, of course... like China, like Europe before her...

1. Whose standards? Obviously ours since they're the only ones that matter ...

2. What about the countries that Westerners did NOT bless with "conquest?" What about those, like INDIA, that did get conquered and now are growing world powers?

The only problem with Africa is that it's full of Africans, period ... whites who lived (and continue to live there) don't seem to have problems ...

praefectus
18thOctober2005, 16:12
1. Because they're moving OUR lands and this forum is by whites.

2. Why can't we compare Malta vs. Africa with any degree of accuracy? What is the "root" in colonialism that causes failure in Africa and not in Malta (and/or India)? Would you be so kind as to explain this? Why did white rule bring more wealth to S. Africa, for example?

Why is India's economic growth a detriment to itself? Are you saying that India is worse off than it was 100 years ago? That it's worse off than most African countries?

1. Why do those standards apply to others indiscriminately?

2. Well, in comparing between colonized countries one has to take in all aspects. Malta was also a colonized countries and while there are a number of negative/positive effects which can be traced back to colonialism, one could not with any degree of accuracy compare British colonialism and its effects in Malta with, say, British colonialism and its effects in India, or with European colonialism and its effects in Africa.

And well, India is a growing world power to the detriment of everything Indian, of course... like China, like Europe before her...

Kung Fu
18thOctober2005, 22:31
l-afrika fqira ax nies injoranti li biex jiggildu bejnithom biss tajbin flok jahdmu l-art landom

carlos
9thDecember2005, 14:30
First they took the farms from their righteous white owners, now they are starving!

Mugabe's party worried by problems in farming [09/12/2005]
President Robert Mugabe was to open a meeting of his ruling party likely to focus on serious problems in farming as the country struggles to overcome food shortages. The former breadbasket of southern Africa has become a netfood importer in the last five years because of drought and what critics say is ruinous disruption to agriculture caused by the government's compulsory redistribution of white-owned farms to blacks. Critics say Mugabe's government has failed to adequately supply beneficiaries of the programme with farm inputs like seed and fertiliser. His ZANU-PF party's information secretary Nathan Shamuyarira acknowledged the issue was a worry.

http://www.timesofmalta.com/core/article.php?id=breaking&date=20051209#94

malsey
9thDecember2005, 14:33
Mugabi ma hu xejn hlief demel, stupidu, razzist u ahdar. Pero l ebda Ngo qatt ma jsemmi xejn, ghax ovvjament hu iswed.

Tony
9thDecember2005, 15:26
First they took the farms from their righteous white owners, now they are starving!
and what critics say is ruinous disruption to agriculture caused by the government's compulsory redistribution of white-owned farms to blacks.

Give the blacks a good thing and they will turn it into shit. They do not care if it brings hardship to their own as long as they show their hatred to the white people and to western civilization. And if they can do this to their own country what makes one thing that they will give a damn about someone elses country.:mad:

Marco Polo
9thDecember2005, 16:31
Give the blacks a good thing and they will turn it into shit. They do not care if it brings hardship to their own as long as they show their hatred to the white people and to western civilization. And if they can do this to their own country what makes one thing that they will give a damn about someone elses country.:mad:

they just dont have enough intelligent people to sustain themselves. if any race is in need of a eugenics program it is africans.