L- effetti tal- klandestini: X' qed jigri fl- A.F.M.

[Beowulf]

Ftaht dan it- topic ghax hassejt li ghandu jigi zvelat kif l- AFM minn xi darba 'armata', spiccat in- naghga tas- sagrificju b' rizq il- klandestini, u b' kappricc tal- politikanti, flimkien mal- knisja, l- NGOs, u l- gurnalisti.

01) Il- weekend li ghadda kien l- iktar wiehed rekord f' dak li hu arrivals ta` 'turisti' mill- kontinenet Afrikan (270!!!). Tajjeb tkunu tafu li dawn l' izbarki sehhew ezattament hekk kif kienu waslu fi tmiemom il- finanzi li l- AFM kella ghad dispozizjoni taghha sabiex tixtri l- ikel li suppost kellu jkun biz- zejjed biex jintemghu il- klandestini kolla mizmuma fic- centri ta l- armata. Dawn il- finanzi suppost kellom iservu sa l- ahhar tas- sena. Jista wiehed jobsor il- panic li issa qam, ghax mhux biss kellu jsir, budget ihor ta riserva, talli n- numru ta klandestini rega sploda f' qasir zmien.
Tajjeb nighd, li suppost il- kcejjen tal- AFM jirpovdu ikel b' xejn lil suldati li jaqbzu certu numru ta sieghat fuq il- post tax xol taghhom, ezempju meta jkun hemm xi stand-by jew xi exercise. Dan ovjament issa sar impossibli, li jfisser iktar piz fuq is- suldat.

02) Medda ta art fil- Lyster barracks ta Hal-Far li gieli kienet tintuza minn suldati tal- infanterija biex jaghmlu t- tahrig fija, dil- gimgha (b' ordni diretta minn Kastilja), beda x- xol fija biex tigi imwittija, halli jittellghu fija numru ta tined, biex b' hekk jitwaqqaf post iehor li fih ikun jista jilqa 300 klandestin ohra. Ghad zaghar ta kmamar fl- istess art li ukoll kienu jservu biex fijom isir tahrig, issa ha jigu mibdula f' toilets biex iservu ghal- dawn il- klandestini.
Ta min ifakkar li f' dan l- istess barrack ta Hal-Far diga jinsab centru li fih bhalissa hemm madwar 280 klandestin. L- ammont tas- suldati prezenti f' dan il- barracks waqt is- silent hours, diga mhux biz- zejjed biex ilahhqu ma l- ghases ma l- klandestini prezenti. Suldati li xogholom huwa fl- armerija, ukoll qed ikollom johorgu biex jighjnu fl- ghases. U issa ha jizdiedu 300 klandestin iehor. Dan ifisser li prezenza tas- suldati trid tigi imsahha. Igifieri li s- suldati jispiccaw jahdmu hafna sieghat izjed milli diga huwa stabbilit. U hlas ta overtime fl- armata ma jezistix! Kollox ghar- republika!

03) Mhux talli l- ammont ta klandestini qed jisplodi. L- isbah kummiedja hi li hemm pjanijiet biex l- armata Maltija tinaqqas minn 1400 ghal- 800 suldat biss. Fiz- zminijet fil- qrib ha jibdew jirtiraw mis- servizz hafna suldati anzjani li issa ilhom jaghtu sehmom fis- servizz ghal- zmien twil. Hafna servew fil- korpi tad- dejma u task force, u numru minnhom anki servew taht il- prezenza tal- kuruna Ingliza. Biss il- gvern m' ghamel l- ebda pjan biex dawn is- suldati jibdew jigu replaced b' suldati godda.
Tajjeb tkunu tafu li minn habba l- impennji li ghanda l- armata bil- klandestini, certu sezzjonijiet taghha jew jinsabu maghluqin, jew inkella gew disbanded. X' ha jigri issa la ha tigi imcekna l- armata? U x' jista jigri iktar u iktar jekk jinqala stat ta emergenza, b' nofs l- armata mhix qed tiffunzjona? Min ha jiprotegi l- poplu Malti???

ikompli...

[G-Unit]

ahna kollna kemm ahna, jekk jinqala stat ta emergenza il poplu jkollu jiehu il ligi fidu . u meta jihder il malti jihder ta veru


Warning by PERICLES: Vivamalta.org DOES NOT encourage the people to take illegal actions to stop the invasion of immigrants. However we encourage the people to use all the possible legal channels to stop and reverse this dangerous trend.

May I also remind you all that promotion of violence is PROHIBITED on this site. Please follow the rules.

[Cikku]

Qum fuq tieghek ja Gahan! Ivvota lil min hu serju! -- RosmarK

Skuzi ta, LIKE WHO ?????

:confused:

[umberto]

G-Unit and Ghost Dejma, your frustrations are understandable.

Precious open land and space is being taken to house illegals. :mad:

Sympathies.

[Caesar]

Extracted from: http://www.um.edu.mt/pressreleases/2005/eadi_conference.html

University Representatives convene Meeting on Illegal Migration <!-- START of SHORT Header 2 -->
<HR noShade SIZE=1><!-- END of SHORT Header 2 --><!-- START of BODY -->Professor Briguglio has been invited by the European Association of Development Institutes (EADI) to convene and chair a panel session on illegal migration from North Africa to the EU, as part of the EADI general conference, scheduled to be held in Bonn between 21 and 24 September 2005 (see http://eadi.org/gc2005/parallel_session_IIIA.php (http://eadi.org/gc2005/parallel_session_IIIA.php) ). The EADI general conference on "Security and Development" will take place at the well-known international congress centre formerly housing the German Federal Parliament. The Conference is held every three years and assembles more than 500 participants including high level government representatives, decision makers and scholars.


At present there is a wave of legal and illegal migration from North African countries into the EU. Such migration has a number of humanitarian, economic, social and political repercussions, affecting the migrants themselves as well as the host country. One major effect is the fuelling of racial hatred in the host countries. Another relates to the heavy pressure on the Mediterranean EU members to provide temporary food and shelter for the thousands of illegal migrants that manage to land through Europe's Southern borders in makeshift boats.

The flow of illegal migration has led to calls and plans to strengthen border security, and a "European security zone" for protection against illegal immigration via the Mediterranean Sea was proposed. There is an urgent need for governments to cooperate on this issue. Migration, legal and illegal, occurs to a large extent as a result of bad economic prospects and political instability in the countries of origin, and the issue is therefore not just one of improving border security, but also of promoting economic development and good governance in the North African Countries. The Euro-Med process could be an important factor in this regard.

Another consideration is that the EU member states need migrants, given the slow population growth rates, work preferences, and economic growth in EU member states. The issue of a properly thought out EU migration policy is therefore called for. The Panellists will be asked to contribute papers on humanitarian, economic, social and political issues related to legal and illegal migration, and on the role that the Euro-Med Process can play in this regard. It is envisaged that there will be six panellists including the conveners.<!-- END of BODY --><!-- START of Footer 1 -->

[Maltarian]

Ghost Dejma,

Prosit for your thread-opener. And what a nice Avatar too!

It is with high enthusiasm that we welcome "inside" news regarding our Forces (AFM and Police). and the way that the Govt is allowing the country's protective shield rot away.

[Falcon5]

ahna kollna kemm ahna, jekk jinqala stat ta emergenza il poplu jkollu jiehu il ligi fidu . u meta jihder il malti jihder ta veru



Skond ir rapporti dawn gejjin minn Libya. Allura sur G-Unit, meta ser tinvadi? milli jidher li stat ta emergenza diga qighed hawn. :rolleyes:

[Beowulf]

Ghost Dejma,

Prosit for your thread-opener. And what a nice Avatar too!

It is with high enthusiasm that we welcome "inside" news regarding our Forces (AFM and Police). and the way that the Govt is allowing the country's protective shield rot away.

Grazzi Maltarian.
Ha niprova naghmel mill- ahjar li nista biex nitfa daqsxejn dawl dwar il- hnizrijiet li qed isiru rigward il- forzi tas- sigurta taghna. Il- poltikanti dejjem hallew dawn il- forzi mitluqin ghal- rihom. Hbew il- problemi taghhom, daqs li kieku ma jezistux.
U setaw jaghmlu dan kollu grazzi ghal- fatt li s- suldati m' ghandom dritt li jissiehbu f' union, jew li jiehdu sehem f' attivitajiet publici, u wisq inqas ma jistghu juzaw il- mezzi tal- media.
Hawn niehu l- opportunita biex minn qih qalbi nirringrazzja l- VivaMalta tac- cans li qed ittuna.
Rigward l- avatar, dik il- badge ila ddisinjata mill- 1999 meta l- problema tal- klandestini kienet ghada hafna inqas milli hi illum. Izjed il- quddiem naghti d- dettalji tas- sinjifikanza taghha.

[G-Unit]

G-unit is back , my a/c was banned caz of callin some1 a geek .:D


g-unit created some trap for these ******* , this is to proove that them ******* luv d maltese gals , basically we had made a profile of a hot girl and we pretended she was maltese , we got loads of messages , most from Libya , africa etc . i lost nearly all of em but now i start pasting u photos and msgs :

how are you ? hope you are doing well
i have read your profile and i like to know you more
i find you smart and so cute.
i love travling and reading and music and for the sure a romanic dinner on the beach.
am welling to travle to meet with you at any time you like.

please take a look at my profile and if you like you can drop me a line to my email
amjad_f70@yahoo.com or @hotmail.com
or you can add me to your freinds list

yours
amjad
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[Marco Polo]

you use the g-unit nick as in the rapper?

[Caesar]

They're taking our daily bread... We should take matters into our hand. We should give the Government an ultimatum. If they do not kick all illegal immigrants even those in day centres, we would call ******* :mad:

Moderator's Note: please read our rules and regulations regarding "incitement to violence" and refrain from posting such nonsense.

thank you.

[Mirko]

They're taking our daily bread... We should take matters into our hand. We should give the Government an ultimatum. If they do not kick all illegal immigrants even those in day centres, we would call *****. :mad:

Apparti li edt oxxata kbira ghax ahna ta` IE ma nittollerawx vjolenza b'hekk tkun qed taqa ghal livell taghhom.

[Artist]

Ara kemm ghandna gvern tan-nejk u mhux rispettat.
Il-pajjizi l-kbar ewropej li qed jintlaqtu minn din il-problema qed jiddiskutu bejniethom biex jaraw x'inhuma s-soluzzjonijiet. Il-gvern tan-nejk li ghandna l-anqas biss gie mistiden.

[Virgil]

Ara kemm ghandna gvern tan-nejk u mhux rispettat.
Il-pajjizi l-kbar ewropej li qed jintlaqtu minn din il-problema qed jiddiskutu bejniethom biex jaraw x'inhuma s-soluzzjonijiet. Il-gvern tan-nejk li ghandna l-anqas biss gie mistiden.

L Ewropej ga sabu s soluzzjoni tal Immigranti Illegali

Issa baqa biss jiperfezzjonaw l ahhar dettalji (bl martime laws)

S Soluzzjoni ghal problema hi Malta

[Beowulf]

L Ewropej ga sabu s soluzzjoni tal Immigranti Illegali

Issa baqa biss jiperfezzjonaw l ahhar dettalji (bl martime laws)

S Soluzzjoni ghal problema hi Malta

History repeats it- self jighdu l- Inglizi. U hekk gralna ahna l- Maltin habba l- pozizjoni tas- sbejha gziritna. A stepping stone between Malta and North Africa.

Fis- 1798, belghana Napuljun hu u sejjer l- Egittu, bi skuza li kellu l- ghatx...
F' WW2 Churchil mar jiftahar li ahna "aircraft carrier". U kawza t' hekk qlajna xeba bombi m' ghand il- Germanizi. Ghax indunanw li l- ajruplani u s- submarines Inglizi li kienu qed jattakkawlom is- supplies lejn in N. Africa kienu qed jitilqu minn hawn.
1998 - ?... eluf ta klandestini jitliqu b' daghjes mill- Libja lejn l- Italja, u fi triqitom b xi 'zball' isibu ruhom hawnekk.
Int sabiha O Malta taghna...
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They're taking our daily bread... We should take matters into our hand. We should give the Government an ultimatum. If they do not kick all illegal immigrants even those in day centres, we would call for a riot. http://www.vivamalta.org/forum/images/smilies/mad.gif
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Mhux ghax ha niddejjaq jekk jigri li ghedt imma: no1. B' tehddida bhal din li ghadek kemm ghamilt, publikamnet tista facilment tirrovina lilek innifesk, ghax il- habs jirbhek. no2. biex minn ghalik ha tiggieled fir- rewixta. Iz- zmien ta Gonsalvo Monroi u tal- okkupazjoni Franciza ilom li ghaddew. L- imghazqa u l- midra m' ghadomx armi effettivi fit- 2005.

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Ara kemm ghandna gvern tan-nejk u mhux rispettat.
Il-pajjizi l-kbar ewropej li qed jintlaqtu minn din il-problema qed jiddiskutu bejniethom biex jaraw x'inhuma s-soluzzjonijiet. Il-gvern tan-nejk li ghandna l-anqas biss gie mistiden.
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Imbasta tak il- paroli kollu minn naha tal- PN qabel ir- referendum u l- elezjoni 2003. Kemm qalu li l- Ewropej ha jistmawna bhala hutom u ha jtuna say daqshom f' kollox. Biex issa qas qed jikkalkulawh lil Gonzi.

[Artist]

They're taking our daily bread... We should take matters into our hand. We should give the Government an ultimatum. If they do not kick all illegal immigrants even those in day centres, we would call *****. :mad:

We are never and never going to call for a riot.
Ahna bhala patrijotti Maltin ta' KULJUM qed nghidu lill-Gvern x'inhuma l-problemi u sahansitra x'inhuma s-soluzzjonijiet.
IL-GVERN GHANDU R-RESPONSABBILTA' TA' KULL WIEHED U WAHDA MINNA.
GHALHEKK U FL-OBBLIGU TIEGHU LI JIEHU KULL MIZURA POSSIBBLI BIEX ISOLVI DIN IL-PROBLEMA.
AHNA NZOMMUH RESPONSABBLI GHAL KULL MA JIGRI.

[Beowulf]

Artist, lil gvern tista ddum thambaqlu x' ghandu jaghmel ghax mhux ja ghati kazek u kazi. Jista jkun Gonzi u jista jkun Sant. L- arroganza hakmitom. dak li jighd Malti iehor ma joghodx ghal- widnejom.
Il- klandestini, u l- inkwiet kollu li jgibu maghhom, ghalijom problema ckejkna.
Sakemm jidru sbieh ma tal- EU kollox sew...
Sakemm il- hbieb tal- hbieb jibqghu igawdu kollox sew...
Sakemm ikomplu jistaghnew mil- korruzjoni, abbuzi u tangenti kollox sew...
Sakemm ikollom BMW ta LM70,000, jkollom ricvimenti, mobiles bil- liji b' xejn, u jsifru b' xejn kollox sew...

Sa kemm il- poplu jibqa gwejjed...

[Siobhan]

Suldati klandestini

minn Elite, Valletta
http://www.it-torca.com/news.asp?newsitemid=3911

Nixtieq nigbed l-attenzjoni tal-poplu Malti biex ikun jaf minn liema trattament dizuman ghaddejjin is-suldati Maltin, specjalment tad-D company. L-ewwel li se nibda billi nsaqsi jekk meta kienu gew Malta biex jaraw lill-klandestini ta’ l-UE tat-torturi tal-bniedem, kinux iccekkjaw biex jaraw jekk is-suldati humiex ittorturati huma wkoll, specjalment mentalment.

It-tieni haga li nixtieq insemmi huwa kif il-kbarat fl-armata lill-klandestini jaqduhom mill-koxxa f’kollox biex ta’ l-UE u ftit Maltin li ghandhom interess fihom, u biex il-klandestini ma jgorrux, akkost ta’ kollox, anzi jaghtuhom izzejjed ghax mhux minn but-hom, anzi minn but il-poplu ghax it-taxxi l-poplu jhallashom. Biex imbaghad mas-suldati bit-tlaqqit f’kollox.

It-tielet, lis-suldati, ingebbduh, inkissruh, nittrattawh taz-zibel, inkissrulu l-integrità, inkissrulu l-familja, numiljawh u nqisuh bhala skjav tal-klandestini. Billi hemm min beda jahdem bin-nofs ta’ nhari, mis-seba’ sas-siegha u nofs, u s’issa ghadu ma marx id-dar darba fil-hin. Dejjem xi saghtejn tard u meta tikkomplejnja jghidulek issa ntuk it-time in lieu. Lanqas tista’ tiehu break li suppost huwa bil-ligi.

Hemm min lanqas jezisti l-break ghax ibellghulek ix-xoghol bl-addocc u hemm min jibqa’ ghaddej bix-xoghol biex jipprova ma jmurx id-dar tard. Hemm min tant hu stressjat u ppressat bix-xoghol li anki nkwiet fil-familja ghandu minhabba s-sitwazzjoni li qeghdin fiha.

Imma fil-konfront tal-klandestini s-sitwazzjoni hija differenti. Jiehdu l-breakfast bla tfixkil, jiehdu lunch u ghandu dinner bl-ghazla u bla tfixkil u allahares ikun hemm xi wiehed li jimmissja xi haga ghax miskin is-suldat.

Insomma, ghaddejjin hajja minn fuq dahar il-poplu. U la jinteressahom minn xiex ghaddej is-suldat. Anzi, trid toqghod attent li ma jisirqulekx flusek. Dak il-grazzi li qed niehdu minn dawn in-nies ghax kif taljena rasek ghidilha ciao il-kartiera bhalma gara. Miskin dak is-suldat li hadulu dawk it-tletin lira.

Issa, poplu Malti u Ghawdxi, qed tiehdu stampa zghira hafna ta’ x’ghandna f’pajjizna. Issa nispera li ma jkunx hemm xi hadd li ghandu xi interess fihom u jghidli li jien xi razzist jew xi faxxist. Jien li qed nghid huwa l-pura verità. Dawn l-NGOs jghidu l-verità? Nispera li l-Brigadier jiehu azzjoni rigward is-sit-wazzjoni li nin-sabu fiha tad-D company.





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[Abramortiis]

Klandestini qed jigu jfittxu qraba f’Malta
minn Justin Farrugia

IMMIGRANTI rregolari qed jigu Malta bi skop... biex ifittxu lil qrabathom f’pajjizna. Dan ikkonfermawh sorsi mill-Forzi Armati ta’ Malta u persuni ohra li qalulna li malli jinzlu l-art, uhud mill-immigranti jitolbu li jiltaqghu ma’ qrabathom li jkunu jinsabu Malta.

Persuni li jahdmu qrib immigranti irregolari kkonfermaw ukoll li dan l-ahhar graw hafna kazi fejn mal-wasla taghhom f’pajjizna immigranti staqsew biex jaghmlu kuntatt ma’ ohrajn li kienu jafu li digà jinsabu fi gziritna.

Jirrizulta li hemm koncen-trazzjoni ta’ klandestini f’lokalità partikulari li hija Birkirkara. “Li hu zgur hu l-fatt li dawn ghandhom kuntatti f’Malta u qed jigu biex jghixu hawn,” ziedu jghidulna l-istess persuni.

Il-persuni li tkellmu ma’ dan il-gurnal urew thassib serju ghax dan ifisser li pajjizna qieghed fil-fatt ikun il-mira mill-bidu nett ta’ hafna mill-klandestini li qed jaslu hawn.

“Filwaqt li qabel, il-klan-destini kienu jsibu ruhhom fuq xtutna minhabba zball ta’ navigazzjoni jew minhabba l-maltemp, illum qed jigu f’Malta bi skop li jsibu persuni li jkunu nfirdu minn maghhom,” qalu l-imkejjen qrib il-Forzi Armati ta’ Malta.

Wiehed mill-fatturi li qed iwassal biex dan isehh huwa l-fatt li l-immigranti rregolari huma intitolati ghal cards tat-telefon, u b’hekk qeghdin isibuha facli li jaggornaw lil qrabathom dwar il-qaghda taghhom f’pajjizna, u jhajruhom biex jiehdu cans huma wkoll jigu fi gziritna u fl-istess hin jergghu jinghaqdu maghhom.

Minbarra hekk, jinghad ukoll li bil-ligi li se tidhol fis-sehh minn Gunju tas-sena d-diehla, Malta se ssir “tarka” ghall-kumplament ta’ l-Ewropa mill-immigranti llegali.

Skond kif gie rrappurtat, bil-ligi l-gdida Malta se tkopri 260,000 kilometru kwadru ta’ bahar.

Jinghad li eluf kbar ta’ klandestini jghaddu mill-ibhra li jaqghu fil-Flight Information Region (FIR) Maltija matul il-vjagg taghhom lejn pajjizi ohra, u peress li l-FIR se tkun qed tiddetermina l-ibhra Maltin fil-kaz ta’ l-immigranti, dan ikun ifisser li kwazi dawk kollha li jghaddu se jaqghu kollha taht ir-responsabbiltà ta’ pajjizna.

[umberto]

AFM are stretched to the limit.

[Beowulf]

Regarding the last posts of Siobhan & Abramortis.
All that you said in your last posts is true. These things were obvious to people in the army for the last couple of years, but not so clear to the view of the general public, due to government agenda of hiding things from the people, and giving them false illusions to put off their minds.
That's why I made the effort to start this thread. Its very important that all information of this sort, regarding this notorious issue, is posted here. The citizens must be shown the thrut. We must rip off the mask of those hypocrets in government, and unveil their traitorous nature.

Keep on the fight.
AVE.

[argo]

In today's Orizzont the front page is an article on how AFM personnel are being used to do work for a private contractor who is being paid tens of thousands of liri to build concrete platforms for klandestini tents.

It is not online yet but someone will upload it when it is.

[Beowulf]

In today's Orizzont the front page is an article on how AFM personnel are being used to do work for a private contractor who is being paid tens of thousands of liri to build concrete platforms for klandestini tents.

It is not online yet but someone will upload it when it is.

That contractor was paid the sum Lm44,000 contributed by the tax-payer.
In the lyster barracks, the soldiers park their private cars in an area full of soil, and dust, becoming full of mud and puddles in winter turning freshly washed cars into a mess. Countless complaints have been made over the years, so that the area will be paved with concrete. But always the reply was that there are no funds available. But for the negroes its a different story...

The article mentioned Tony Abela. He is resposable for the army. But he is the one threatening the Commander of the AFM, that if he does not co-operate (i.e. turn the soldiers into care-takers of the negroes), than the AFM is next-in-line after the dockyard to be disbanded.

http://www.l-orizzont.com/images/banners/orizzont_front.jpg

[IMPERIUM]

Soldiers reduced to mere construction workers.
The humiliation!
And for what? - To make life easier for Kaffirs!

Kaffirs should have been left in puddles and mud:
they are used to it, anyway!
Africa!

This traitorous Govt!
These Christian hypocrites!
They will pay for this!

Imperium
0508

[Mazzola75]

Soldiers reduced to mere construction workers.
The humiliation!
And for what? - To make life easier for Kaffirs!

Kaffirs should have been left in puddles and mud:
they are used to it, anyway!
Africa!

This traitorous Govt!
These Christian hypocrites!
They will pay for this!

Imperium
0508

It's a huge humiliation, H U G E. At least, those employed to build the camps should be the refugees/illegal immigrants not the soldiers!!

[Mazzola75]

How can we disband the army? This is ridicolous. What will happen then? Ask the Italians to defend us and meantime dump on us any boat they find from Libya to Sicily?

[umberto]

Ibnu ibnu ibni. Fejn hu l-limitu???

[Darius]

AFM reduced to nothing but slaves of the supposedly slaves!

What a shame!

Maybe the primeminister is practicing his M.U.S.E.U.M skills and at the same time forgetting charity at home!

[Mazzola75]

small point.if a private contractor is being paid LM44,000 to do the job,why is it that in the picture taken by l'orrizont that the labourers in the pic are miltary personnel and the vehicle is an army truck?what is going on here?:confused:

Exactly. What are the costs of the contractor?

[Beowulf]

The only effective combat unit still active in the AFM is the C' Special Duties Company. But according to Tony Abela, infantry training is "playing soldiers" and "imitating the films".

[IMPERIUM]

We of Imperium Europa:
will restore dignity and pride:
to our Armed Forces.

They will be above the bourgoise:
since they are the guardians:
of all other classes.

Our soldiers will be the best paid:
best trained army in Europe.
Honour to our Army!

Imperium
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[Beowulf]

small point.if a private contractor is being paid LM44,000 to do the job,why is it that in the picture taken by l'orrizont that the labourers in the pic are miltary personnel and the vehicle is an army truck?what is going on here?:confused:

The contractor has provided some of his personell and some of his construction vehicles. The military truck shown in the picture is used to transport rubbish and rubble to dumping places. The AFM personell and vehicles are being used as supplements, because Tony Abela is in a hurry to have the new centre ready ready before a particular target-date. (The reason for this he alone knows.)

[Marco Polo]

well said florian and imperium too.

This is a disgrace.

IMHO the army should be reforemed as follows:

Coastguard with air wing

regular army for doing misc. activities, tight security, parades and such

and a new elite force to the highest standards that we can afford (dont forget they need a good wage) they would be able to sort out hostage crisis' too.

[umberto]

a sort of, maltese SS.

Special Services. :)

I dropped the middle A, as they will work in the local context.

Does maltese soldiers do hand-to-hand combat training?
Tactical, building taking? Regular shooting practice? marksmanship?

[Beowulf]

Umberto . Yes certain training that you mentioned it is done. But only in the C Company and in no other unit. Regarding hanad-to-hand combat training, it is rarely done, therefore it is negligible. And now Tony Abela is saying that it is "playing" not training.

Marco Polo. Sorry no offences, friend. I don't know your skills, but were it come to the organisation of an army. its better to leave that to the experts.

[Admin]

How can we disband the army? This is ridicolous. What will happen then? Ask the Italians to defend us and meantime dump on us any boat they find from Libya to Sicily?

Of course. We won't have anybody left to build open centres for the refugees!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[Konti]

Is-Suldati haqqhom l-appogg taghna lkoll. arukazna ghal dan il-gvern moqziez li qazzes u dardar lil min halqu.

U flusna fejn sejrin?- Fil-HAMA!!!!


"Ma nistghux nibgahtuhum lura" rega sostna l-gustuz David Agius il-bierah fuq 101!! Hallina boy x'int ferhan bis-siggu komdu tieghek.

[Admin]

Umberto . Yes certain training that you mentioned it is done. But only in the C Company and in no other unit. Regarding hanad-to-hand combat training, it is rarely done, therefore it is negligible. And now Tony Abela is saying that it is "playing" not training.

Marco Polo. Sorry no offences, friend. I don't know your skills, but were it come to the organisation of an army. its better to leave that to the experts.

I agree. The army should be allowed a degree of autonomy in how it organises itself. In a future Imperium we would no longer have soldiers - SOLDato - SOLDI! We will have true warriors who will be free to practice their art and not to build camps for refugees! They will be respected at the pinnicle of society not treated as the helpless underdog! Where is the pride of our army?!? How low have these so-called politicians sunk!?! :mad::mad::mad::mad:

[umberto]

Everything should be standardised, manualised. From the least weapon, arm, grenade, unit, procedure etc. . Regular daily training.

A truly professional, volunteer, but motivated battalion, with good support.

[Marco Polo]

MSS would be a good name. we cant use ss really :(

[Gladiator]

Everything should be standardised, manualised. From the least weapon, arm, grenade, unit, procedure etc. . Regular daily training.

A truly professional, volunteer, but motivated battalion, with good support.

Where are you going to find the funds to do all this in Malta? Malta barley has any money left for to switch the power switch at th power station.:eek:

These clowns will find out very fast when and if should there be an emergency like what had happened in London. God forbid.

What are they going to do?

[Admin]

MSS would be a good name. we cant use ss really :(

MSS is already taken - the Malta Secret Service.

[Marco Polo]

what were wrong with my suggestions??

[Beowulf]

[QUOTE=Gladiator]Where are you going to find the funds to do all this in Malta? Malta barley has any money left for to switch the power switch at th power station.:eek:
[QUOTE]

Gladiator is right. It's better for every one to stop dreaming. Malta never had and probablu will never have an economy that will support an army like you're suggesting. And about SS or MSS or SAS or SBS that all bullshit. Names are not important. The effectiveness final product is...

[argo]

The tents are being set up. It seems that Gonzi & Tonio (Klandestini) unLtd. are expecting several hundred more invaders. LM44,000 for this? Has the price of 1:3:6 concrete reached record levels? 5 concrete platforms have cost almost LM9,000 each? Che fregatura! Biex ma nghidix bil-Malti.

This government is threading on thin ice.

[Beowulf]

well done argo for that photo.

[Volcano]

Che fregatura! Biex ma nghidix bil-Malti.

U ghida bil-Malti, x'haxja dik! Daphne ma tafx xi tkun.

[jean_parisot]

Darba kellna il-korpi ta' zmien mintoff u KMB. Issa ghanda gvern li qed jara l-armata bhala hela ta' flus. The army is at its lowest ebb. Il-Gvern irid jghid il-hsibijiet tieghu ghall-armata halli is-suldati ikunu jafu fejn qieghdin.

Hawn xi hadd qed jiehu hsieb l-implikazzjoni strategici u ta' difiza ta' pajjizna issa u ghall-futur? HADD.

L-armata tajba u professjonali hija bhall insurance policy li l-Gvern iddur ghalija meta jigi bzonnha.

Jigi dak iz-zmien, mhux il-boghod li l-gvern idur ghall-AFM ghal xi krizi nazzjonali. Ifittex u ma jsib xejn. Training spicca, suldati b'morale baxx, kalpestati, umiljati, budget kollu ghal-klandestini, exercises xejn.

It-tort huwa tal-politikanti taghna ghax huma fqar fl'ideat u limitati fil-hsieb.

Hemm bzonn pjan fit-tul ghall-AFM halli taqdi il-htigijiet tal-lum. Malta trid armata zghira u professjonali. Kull Militar (ta' kull pajjiz fl'ewropa) tal-lum ma' jiggieldux gwerer konvenzjonali imma jaddressjaw issues ta' sigurta li huma iktar sottili bhall terrorismu, immigrazzjoni klandestina (mhux towing service!!!), ghajnuna umanitarja, integrita nazzjonali u hafna affarijiet ohra.

[Volcano]

L-aqwa li ser niddisorganizzaw ic-CHOGM. Nahseb din ser tkun l-ahhar avveniment internazzjonali li ser ikun hawn Malta. Meta jizbandaw l-AFM min ser jipprovdi is-sigurta f'xi avveniment hekk? Il-Wardens?

Il-poplu diga ihossu mhux protett kif inhu ahseb u ara minghajr l-armata. Soluzzjoni wahda jifdal. Kullhadd igorr arma mieghu. Norganizzaw coastal watch by the people for the people. U jsaffru jidhlu klandestini aktar!

Problema wiehed nara jekk ma jigux aktar kapijiet ta stat f' Malta. Ma jsirux aktar it-toroq min fejn jaghddu bit-tarmac biex ma johorgulhomx il-murliti!

[Abramortiis]

Jigi dak iz-zmien, mhux il-boghod li l-gvern idur ghall-AFM ghal xi krizi nazzjonali. Ifittex u ma jsib xejn. Training spicca, suldati b'morale baxx, kalpestati, umiljati, budget kollu ghal-klandestini, exercises xejn.

Ave,

Il-Gonz qatt ma kien gvern strategiku - Dejjen kien gvern tal-paroli u fantasija! Il-Gahan malti minn dejjem kien ihobb jisma' l-stejjer u ghalhekk ghal dawn l-ahar snin halla fil-gvern ta l-istejjer!

Ma iddumx illi jasal dak iz-zmien fejn il-poplu iqum mir-raqda u issib daru mal-hajt.....l-unika soluzjoni illi jssib tkun illi jirikorri ghal vjolenza......imma ikun tard wisq! Il-Malti ma jddumx ma issib illi rega qied taht hakma barranijia ghal-darba ohra!

Jien ma nitollerax dan! ......u int?

Abramortiis

[Gladiator]

Ave,

Il-Gonz qatt ma kien gvern strategiku - Dejjen kien gvern tal-paroli u fantasija! Il-Gahan malti minn dejjem kien ihobb jisma' l-stejjer u ghalhekk ghal dawn l-ahar snin halla fil-gvern ta l-istejjer!

Ma iddumx illi jasal dak iz-zmien fejn il-poplu iqum mir-raqda u issib daru mal-hajt.....l-unika soluzjoni illi jssib tkun illi jirikorri ghal vjolenza......imma ikun tard wisq! Il-Malti ma jddumx ma issib illi rega qied taht hakma barranijia ghal-darba ohra!

Jien ma nitollerax dan! ......u int?

Abramortiis

Abra, x l-ostra ghid tghid. Hakma barranijia? Min gie hawn jighhu pajjiz fallut. Bla solt u fqir. Blat, bahar u xemx. Nies fuq il-welfare u swed u Gagharb!

Xi hakma jew investiment?

[Beowulf]

Ave,
Ma iddumx illi jasal dak iz-zmien fejn il-poplu iqum mir-raqda u issib daru mal-hajt.....l-unika soluzjoni illi jssib tkun illi jirikorri ghal vjolenza......imma ikun tard wisq! Il-Malti ma jddumx ma issib illi rega qied taht hakma barranijia ghal-darba ohra!


Diga kwazi gejn taht il- hakma tal- Afrikani. Ghax jekk toqoghd tinnota ftit. huma ghandom drittijiet izjed minna l- Maltin. Lodging, ikel, dawl, ilma, telphone, mobiles, etc. mhalsin mit- taxxi taghna. Jahdmu u ma jhalsux taxxi. Is- suwed f' Malta saru the higher class citizens - L' aristokrazija li l- gahan Malti jixraqlu li jkollu, talli ma jridx jiftah ghajnejh.

[argo]

Issa ghandna espert tal-avjazzjoni iswed ukoll. Fl-ahbarijiet tal-PBS tat-8pm (15 Aug), deher iswed jikkummenta dwar it-tigrif tal-ajruplan B737 Ciprijott.

Min hu l-bravu li deffsu hemm biex jidher li hemm klandestin jaf li f'gholi ta' 34,000 pied it-temperatura u l-pressjoni tal-arja jkunu tant baxxi li ma tghix ?????

Possibli m'ghandniex min jifhem f'dan is-sugett f'Malta. Hadd mill-Air Malta, mid-Dipartiment tal-Avjazzjoni Civili, mill-Medavia, mill-Flying Schools?

Nixtieq inkun naf xoghol min hi din il-bicca hnizrija. Min hu nkarigat mill-ahbarijiet?

[Marco Polo]

i could have gone on tv and told them that. I am pretty sure that most Maltese know that anyway.

PROPAGANDA!!!!

[Beowulf]

More surprising news from the AFM for this week.

Remember the contractor, doing the work in the Lyster Barracks for the detention centre? The work on this Lm44,00 project was supposed to have been finnished by a week ago. As usual in this very efficent Malta, this din not happen (iss mur obsor!). To make up for this, the contractor's workers on the site are starting work in the early hours in the morning i.e. at 3:00am and once even as early as 1:30am! On this same day, they were even working with bulldosers and other heavy-plant, provided from the AFM. This caused so much noise in the night hours, that soldiers on guard duty and night shifts, could not rest propperly.
Lack of funds have now also effected the stores of the same AFM. Regarding the clothing, at the moment there is a shortage in camoulfage uniforms and boots, with the soldiers ending up always patching there and then. Also these two items, are now issued only as low quality imitations. Another thing is the stationary. It's no longer supplied to the AFM's administration offices. Soldiers working as clerks, are now expected to buy a lot of stionary themselves, even large envelopes!
This week was characterised by two serious accidents at the Lyster Barracks. In the first one a black woman tried to commit suicide by jumping from the upper floor of the block in which the immigrants are detained. In the second a quarrel broke out between the negroes themselves in the football ground, resulting in one of them being seriously injured and another sufferring from epilepsy. Both accidents were going to lead to an uprising by the negroes have not dedicated AFM peronell acted immediately to prevent this. At the moment there are some 270 negroes detained in this barracks. The government plans to rise this figure by 700, once the new detention centre would start functioning. This means that they would outnumber the soldiers heavilly, if they will revolt all at once.

[Marco Polo]

soldiers are in a bad way. all the masses care about is their own bellies.

[Sepp44]

The minister responsible for the AFM should resign.Pandering to the plight of the ILLEGAL immigrants because of the irresponsibility of the government is cowardice of the highest order.Maybe the soldiers should start taking care of themselves.
No european government worth their salt would belittle and humiliate their armed forces as much as the Maltese government has done to theirs.

Maltese soldiers are still maltese citizens like myself.

DO YOU WANT MY F*****G BED AS WELL YOU CORRUPT SCUM.YOU F*****G LOW LIVES.SHAME ON YOU.EXILE IS TOO GOOD FOR TRAITORS:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[Liberty]

Grazzi Maltarian.
Ha niprova naghmel mill- ahjar li nista biex nitfa daqsxejn dawl dwar il- hnizrijiet li qed isiru rigward il- forzi tas- sigurta taghna. Il- poltikanti dejjem hallew dawn il- forzi mitluqin ghal- rihom. Hbew il- problemi taghhom, daqs li kieku ma jezistux.
U setaw jaghmlu dan kollu grazzi ghal- fatt li s- suldati m' ghandom dritt li jissiehbu f' union, jew li jiehdu sehem f' attivitajiet publici, u wisq inqas ma jistghu juzaw il- mezzi tal- media.
Hawn niehu l- opportunita biex minn qih qalbi nirringrazzja l- VivaMalta tac- cans li qed ittuna.
Rigward l- avatar, dik il- badge ila ddisinjata mill- 1999 meta l- problema tal- klandestini kienet ghada hafna inqas milli hi illum. Izjed il- quddiem naghti d- dettalji tas- sinjifikanza taghha.

Brother Ghost Dejma,

I am one with you and your thoughts.

Liberty

[Abramortiis]

money walks.............bullsh&^t walks..........

Abramortiis

[Positron]

Jien personalment rajt FARSA kbira dik ta sodod tas suldati, Lin negri tawhom sodod ta suldati u suldati tawhom camp beds skomdi li jintuzaw flok stretchers. Dawk missom lin-negri qabdu u tefahom fuq ittiben ma l-art