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etoile noir
4thJuly2005, 08:52
Loren fights to ban party's posters

John Hooper in Rome - June 29, 2005 [The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/farright/story/0,11981,1516950,00.html)]

The actor Sophia Loren has begun legal action to stop a poster campaign launched by Italy's former neo-fascists that implicitly links foreigners and rapists.

A lawyer for Loren said she was ready to take "any necessary action" to prevent the National Alliance, the second biggest party in Silvio Berlusconi's government, from using a still from one of her films on posters that have begun to appear in Rome. The party's campaign follows outrage over a string of recent sex attacks.

The lawyer's statement said the actor shared the public's concern, but was "not willing to lend her image to an individual political party or group".

The posters show Loren in her Oscar-winning role in the wartime drama Two Women, Vittorio De Sica's 1961 film in which the actor and her screen daughter are raped by Moroccan soldiers after taking refuge in a church. The film, and the Alberto Moravia novel La Ciociara on which it was based, reflected events still seared into Italy's folk consciousness.

In 1997 a court decision opened the way for damages to be paid to an estimated 1,000 women raped by allied troops in the Ciociara area south of Rome in the spring of 1944.

The rapes were mostly committed by Moroccan irregulars belonging to an 111,000-strong French expeditionary force.

Blazoned across the posters are the words "mai piu" (never again). The campaign followed the stabbing of an Italian barman, allegedly by an Albanian, and the rape of two teenagers. The suspects in one of the rapes are Moroccans.

The stabbing led to mob protests by skinheads and rightwing soccer gangs, and an attack on Albanian immigrants.

This month, a minister in Mr Berlusconi's government called for a law to castrate rapists.

Loren's intervention was all the more surprising as her family has always been regarded as close to the neo-fascist movement.

Her sister was married to a son of Benito Mussolini while her niece, Alessandra Mussolini, was formerly a high-profile member of the National Alliance.

But Ms Mussolini resigned from the party two years ago, and National Alliance sources said yesterday they suspected the rift had had an influence on her aunt's decision.

The Northern League, another government party, has presented a draft bill to make rape punishable with chemical or surgical castration and increased jail terms.

The National Alliance's poster campaign appears to be a response to that initiative; it calls not for new legislation, but the strict application of existing laws. Mr Berlusconi's interior minister, Giuseppe Pisanu, has said Italy's immigration policy should remain unchanged "even when faced with the killing ... and rapes".

malsey
4thJuly2005, 09:05
fl ahhar ta xjuhita spiccat purcinella tad do gooders wkoll.

Gladiator
4thJuly2005, 13:40
The National Alliance's poster campaign appears to be a response to that initiative; it calls not for new legislation, but the strict application of existing laws. Mr Berlusconi's interior minister, Giuseppe Pisanu, has said Italy's immigration policy should remain unchanged "even when faced with the killing ... and rapes".



Le Masley dan huwa il-purcinel. Giuseppe Pisanu!:mad:


The stabbing led to mob protests by skinheads and rightwing soccer gangs, and an attack on Albanian immigrants.


Let them get some of their medicine:(

Malèna
5thJuly2005, 15:19
Dear etoile noir,

Here I agree with Ms. Sophia Loren.

The point here is that a film poster was exhibit and used for a gain of a particular political party associating that film and artist with that political party.

It was very rude and unethical using Ms. Sophia Loren's image (when she won the Academy Award) without asking her permission or sort of.

I am against abortion, but I would not like my face on a billboard saying that I am against it! Obviously, political agendas are hidden. Only a stupid does not understand that, and Sophia Loren is not stupid.

An artist have to make two choices in his/her lifetime. ONE OR ANOTHER = NOT BOTH!

1. INDIVIDUALISM

2. POLITICS


Jesus the carpenter's son, Charles Spencer Chaplin, Sophia Loren, Nanni Moretti chose number one.

Bud Spencer, Arnold Schwarnzegger chose number two.

Alfred Sant chose number 3.

Norman Lowell is trying to do the exception.


An actor can even be an individualist under a screenplay.
A real politician can never be the same individualist under a democratic play.


In their inside, Artists are Politicians but shhhhh...it is a secret.

The actual politicians inside is just their inside.

Gladiator
5thJuly2005, 15:22
Dear etoile noir,

Here I agree with Ms. Sophia Loren.

The point here is that a film poster was exhibit and used for a gain of a particular political party associating that film and artist with that political party.

It was very rude and unethical using Ms. Sophia Loren's image (when she won the Academy Award) without asking her permission or sort of.

I am against abortion, but I would not like my face on a billboard saying that I am against it! Obviously, political agendas are hidden. Only a stupid does not understand that, and Sophia Loren is not stupid.

An artist have to make two choices in his/her lifetime. ONE OR ANOTHER = NOT BOTH!

1. INDIVIDUALISM

2. POLITICS


Jesus the carpenter's son, Charles Spencer Chaplin, Sophia Loren, Nanni Moretti chose number one.

Bud Spencer, Arnold Schwarnzegger chose number two.

Alfred Sant chose number 3.

Norman Lowell is trying to do the exception.


An actor can even be an individualist under a screenplay.
A real politician can never be the same individualist under a democratic play.


In their inside, Artists are Politicians but shhhhh...it is a secret.

The actual politicians inside is just their inside.


What was Alfred Sant's 3? Enlighten me please?:confused:

Malèna
5thJuly2005, 15:25
TRANSPERANCY












(abstract U-turns)

Artist
5thJuly2005, 15:40
Dan Sant artist ukoll, wiehed mill-kotba li kiteb jismu 'La bidu la tmiem.
Dazgur li dan Sant se jkompli jaghmel il-U-Turns, jekk dak li jinteressah hu biss il-poter.

Malèna
5thJuly2005, 15:44
Artist,

I am happy that Sant and you understand each other very well.

Artist, you are an Artist.

etoile noir
6thJuly2005, 01:14
The point here is that a film poster was exhibit and used for a gain of a particular political party associating that film and artist with that political party.

indeed for the gain of a political party - one that she has/had close ties to. what's with her now? change of heart?

It was very rude and unethical using Ms. Sophia Loren's image (when she won the Academy Award) without asking her permission or sort of.

permission? whatever for? since when does a public figure, an actress, give permission for her face to be plastered everywhere?
what was that movie about anyway? do you not think it ties in completely with what is happening in italy now?

would she have kicked up this fuss if they had put up a poster of her "good old days", or one of her with a botoxed face and silicon tits?

no, i never said la loren was stupid. ma chi rinnega .......

Malèna
6thJuly2005, 11:37
Good morning etoile noir,

one that she has/had close ties to.
Close ties? But in public? Please be specific.
If I am a friend of Norman Lowell, it does not mean that I am one of his adherents or else we are confirming that our President of the Republic is a criminal. I will not accept a photo with him propagading his movement, if I do not want to.

permission? whatever for? since when does a public figure, an actress, give permission for her face to be plastered everywhere?
Her image was not used for satirical reasons but was used for political agenda reasons. It is so much different.
If I am a public figure and I see myself near Alfred Sant with a bubble saying VIVA L-LABOUR, for sure I wouldn't be happy, even if I support him in my deep deep deep deep.....

Sorry for mentioning Alfred Sant. I think I wrote a very bad example of a good example of a living satira.


what was that movie about anyway? do you not think it ties in completely with what is happening in italy now?
The poster displayed by Alleanza Nazionale was not the poster of the movie, but the poster when she won the Academy Award as an actress of this movie. Her portrait.

Imagine for a while that the main character of Angli, that uses his weapon to save our country, is being portrayed near Gonzi because he is saying that he will save our country.

I think I mentioned another bad example.

Anyway, I understand the history of LA CIOCARA and its philosophy but that film cannot be viewed from a political view. Vittorio de Sica just wanted to tell a story that really happened non supporting political movements.


would she have kicked up this fuss if they had put up a poster of her "good old days", or one of her with a botoxed face and silicon tits?

She has the right to do everything she wants. I prefer to show my fat ass on a billboard than being associatied with the actual politicians' asses, pardon, faces.

Che cosa mai avrebbe rinnegato la diva Loren?

etoile noir
6thJuly2005, 22:48
good evening malena,

i know you are by far more intelligent than you are making yourself out to be with this reply you just posted. what i didn't know was that you had such a soft spot for la loren ;)

umberto
6thJuly2005, 22:57
she is sexy.

Florian Geyer
6thJuly2005, 22:59
she is sexy.

WHO ? malena, sofia or malena:D

etoile noir
6thJuly2005, 23:01
she is sexy.

is or was?? :confused:

umberto
6thJuly2005, 23:01
erm.....both are. :)

umberto
6thJuly2005, 23:03
was.
have not seen her for a long time.

Florian Geyer
6thJuly2005, 23:09
erm.....both are. :)

there are 3, not 2.malena,malena and sofia:D

etoile noir
6thJuly2005, 23:10
3 actually florian, then sofia - cant you see the avatar ;)

now back to topic please or its closed

umberto
6thJuly2005, 23:11
no further comments from this side on the issue.

i am being embarassed :D :o

Malèna
7thJuly2005, 23:30
good evening malena,

i know you are by far more intelligent than you are making yourself out to be with this reply you just posted. what i didn't know was that you had such a soft spot for la loren ;)

Kind etoile noir,

it is not a matter of soft spot. The issue is that Sophia Loren chose to be strange from politics from the begininning of her carrier.

This is a fact.

I repeat: I never said I am intelligent.

Good night.