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ogenoct
20thAugust2008, 22:26
http://evrazia.org/article.php?id=577

The conservator's balance

by Alexander Dugin

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Putins' eight-year term: what exactly did he want to make?

1. Was our support of Putin justified?

The Putin's formal presidency is over. Along with the reconsideration of what exactly has been finished, the time has come to evaluate the extend to which the support of Putin by national-patriotic forces has been justified. Especially the support given by our Eurasian movement. Even though such evaluation has no influence now, the main questions here are: could or could he not make it? what exactly did he want to make? have our hopes been justified? and what was it actually?

2. Hercules' feats

As far as I am concerned in my article "On 12 Hercules' feats" published in the beginning of Putin's rule, Putin analogically to Hercules's twelve has made six fundamental feats such as:

1) stopped the decomposing of Russia by pressing down the Caucases;2) strengthened the governmental vertical and Russian territorial completeness;3) stopped blindly following the USA (west);4) changed the liberally westernized russofobic direction (from openly attacking the past from every corner to Internet blogs and a radio station);5) chased away the oligarchs, who were willing to control the politics, thus nationalizing the main resource monopolies;6) started to strengthen the position of Russia inside the post-Soviet world by supporting various organisations.

These feats opposed the Eltsin's program from the very beginning of Putin's rule, throughout which they only have been developed and strengthened. That's why Putin was supported by the majority of Russian population as much as by the conservative patriotic circles around it.

3. Geopolitical fractions on September 11th, 2001

September 11th, 2001 was a critical moment, when Putin by supporting Washington's grief has let the Americans intrude into Afganistan, thus letting them base in Central Asia. On the other hand the declination of several Russian military bases and NATO's widening to the east have made the further proamericanizm impossible.

Putin has ruled correctly In case of careful evaluation of Putin's six feats all along the eight years, it is possible to justify the support of Putin. Espesially, because he from the very beginning was self-arbitrarinessly free due to generally authoritative type of Russian politics. His predecessors Eltsin and Gorbachev have been openly destroying Russia without any consequences: one has quietly died in his bed, the other is still advertising pizza and Vuitton. Putin was first imposed on us but later he started to do real things for his people. Thus, following the logic of six feats, Putin has ruled correctly, and that's why we have been supporting him.

4. The feat on which Putin has tripped

Now the idyll stops. In an article I have written before I've described the other six feats in store for Putin. The main one was the seventh, which was about logically finishing the first six. Unfortunately, he has failed in this one. And this means, that at any time all that Putin has done may be cancelled or turned backwards. Without finishing what he has started, Putin leaves his presidency in the uncertainty for the country. Putin's Plan is a very messed up and a weird thing by itself. It's just a "don't worry, be happy" klische. And his successor, as the history shows, may also do whatever he wants. Now it's the time to logically decide whether or not further to support him and to create a plan for the future. So what kind of a country does Putin leave to his successor?

5. Russia over abyss

During Eltsin Russia was falling down fast into the abyss. Putin with difficulties has stopped this falling right on the edge of that abyss, where he actually leaves Russia. The time has stopped so that it's unclear whether Russia is making the next step towards the falling, which may happen without any awareness, or not. Medvedev calls this "stability" but this is just a pause. What is the fragility of the situation? - the lack of the national ideology and the clear strategy;- larceny as the national idea; - the lack of the economy; - the lack of social politics; - the split of elites; - the weakness of Russia inside the international politics;

6. Liberal critics are behind the brackets

All the mentioned above points depict the critical judgement of a patriotic conservator, while the liberal westerners' remarks will be different (in some cases however similar). We consider their classical liberal critics to the contrary the advantages and achievements of Putin's rule, which has demolished "the damned 90s". But even without those liberal arguments the picture we have here is pretty dark. It gives the radical verdict to those who seriously think that "it's OK" and intend to keep the situation this way. Of course it could have been worse, but viewing the current situation as successful is a critical approach to the end.

7. The doomed successor

Now Medvedev. Frankly speaking nobody knows who he actually is. Maybe he doesn't know it himself. He was chosen by people enjoined by Putin, who could have enjoined whatever he wanted. Then Putin gives to Medvedev a country over the abyss, and he will soon have to face the reality check. As the supporter of the "status quo" he does not suit to rule the state nowadays, and nothing in him foretells us any good. It looks like he doesn't see the seriousness of the situation. Will he be able to commit the seventh feat? And does Putin himself realize the sharpness of the crisis? Who is Mr. Putin?.. Just like 8 years ago. The true spy should never be disclosed.

8. Denouncing the agreements and new conservator's course

The described above uncertainty makes the conservative-patriotic force reconsider its' views. There is no more six-feat Putin, and nothing is clear. Medvedev and even Putin start all over again. They are free to act with good and with evil intentions towards the Russian interests. But the population is also free from any obligations to Putin. People has voted for "old merits" the last time. Besides that, the conservator patriots are free from obligations to Putin too. With other candidates we could have continued our alliance. But with Medvedev Putin is challenging all the patriotically and socially oriented people and us. The trust is gone and the people are left to wait. And because the waiting for the majority is impossible, we have to seriously create OUR plan. The plan on how to realise the rest of the 12 Heracules feats without and maybe even in spite of Putin (because he has fatally tripped on the 7th one). Let Medvedev make up his political philosophy's mind and be judged by his choices. It is clear that the start should be from the very beginning, but it is a typical Russian custom, so we shouldn't be afraid. There is nothing more unclear then the "stability", so we can't exclude any kind of a scenario. If Russia, our people and our sacred history demands it, we should be ready for the revolution. For the Conservative Revolution, of course.

Neverwinter
21stAugust2008, 05:54
Truly worth reading. The translation to English is not great but it is certainly more than good enough to understand what is being said, and what is being said makes one respect Mr. Dugin.
;)

IMPERIUM
21stAugust2008, 10:02
Dugin - never trusted him.
Did you notice - not a word about the Israel connection.
Deliberate indifference.

Imperium
0808

ogenoct
21stAugust2008, 11:27
Dugin - never trusted him.
Did you notice - not a word about the Israel connection.
Deliberate indifference.

Imperium
0808



What a ridiculous statement! The "Israel connection" is irrelevant. Hence, Dugin did not mention it. There is no "deliberate indifference." Besides, this essay was not about the Georgian conflict but an assessment of Putin IN GENERAL. Why should Dugin mention an "Israel connection" in this context? Norman, did you even read the essay? What it basically boils down to is this: You "never trusted" Dugin because he does not share your anti-Jewish paranoia. You do not trust Dugin because he is not as much consumed by the fear of and obsession with Jews than you are. Not many people are. You cannot fault Dugin for that.

Constantin

etoile noir
21stAugust2008, 11:30
deliberate indifference or stark reality - and keeping to the facts within the parameters of the argument rather than permanently going off on a "them" tangent.

Greenbacks
21stAugust2008, 15:58
As if Dugin is supplicating for your trust!Dugin - never trusted him.
Did you notice - not a word about the Israel connection.
Deliberate indifference.

Imperium
0808

IMPERIUM
21stAugust2008, 20:40
What a ridiculous statement! The "Israel connection" is irrelevant. Hence, Dugin did not mention it. There is no "deliberate indifference." Besides, this essay was not about the Georgian conflict but an assessment of Putin IN GENERAL. Why should Dugin mention an "Israel connection" in this context? Norman, did you even read the essay? What it basically boils down to is this: You "never trusted" Dugin because he does not share your anti-Jewish paranoia. You do not trust Dugin because he is not as much consumed by the fear of and obsession with Jews than you are. Not many people are. You cannot fault Dugin for that.

Constantin
This article is a continuation of a series of articles discussing the Georgia/Ossetia conflict.
A summing up - a review of Putin's "reign" - his successes and failure.
It is a continuation of your Post 137 here:
http://www.vivamalta.org/forum/showthread.php?t=8581&page=14

If you look up the past Dugin threads, you will know what I think about him.
His invitation to Zionists and Rabbis to speak at his conferences.
His insistence that Israel should form part of the Eurasia Movement!

How can a man of Dugin's intelligence never tackle, not even once - the cause of the Ossetia conflict?
What caused it? Who pushed that Georgia marionette to attack, a tradimento a small, peaceful neighbour?
Who supplied Georgia with arms and, as the Russians insist, mercenaries?

Dugin sold his soul to the Jews years ago.
He wants to shove the viper back into Russia's bosom.
Why? I do not know - ma, sotto sotto, qualcosa puzza!

Constantin, you have so many contacts in Russia.
Why don't you ask Pavel Tulaev's opinion about the matter?
I am sure he has some ideas of his own!

Imperium
0808

ogenoct
22ndAugust2008, 00:45
This article is a continuation of a series of articles discussing the Georgia/Ossetia conflict.
A summing up - a review of Putin's "reign" - his successes and failure.
It is a continuation of your Post 137 here:
http://www.vivamalta.org/forum/showthread.php?t=8581&page=14

No, it is not a continuation. It is a stand-alone article. I do not understand why you have to drag "the Jews" into this. Please explain. Also, do you really believe that "the Jews'" were behind Saakashvili's decision to attack South Ossetia? Clearly they were not. It is absurd to make that claim. Dugin did indeed "tackle the cause of the Ossetia conflict." According to you, what has he missed? Do you fault Dugin for not towing the delusional line that "the Jews were behind it all"? Do you fault Dugin for not being a hysteric anti-Semitic whackjob? The reason why Dugin has so much influence and is generally respected as a political analyst is precisely because he avoids the utter insanity and rubbish theories that certain "White nationalists" subscribe to.

Constantin

wiking
22ndAugust2008, 14:51
With all respect as I do not mean this to be insulting to anyone, the way I see it is this: (my disclaimer is that I do not consider myself to be as knowledgeable)

IMPERIUM drags the jews into almost every argument. He may be right but even so, doing it every time may alienate people who would otherwise listen to and agree to his arguments. This should be kept in mind in view of the MEP elections and for future political forays.

Ogenoct on the other hand seems to gloss over things involving jews downplaying their role in events every time.
A case in point is their involvement in the training of the Georgian troops.

Sepp44
22ndAugust2008, 19:15
[QUOTE] IMPERIUM drags the jews into almost every argument. He may be right but even so, doing it every time may alienate people who would otherwise listen to and agree to his arguments. This should be kept in mind in view of the MEP elections and for future political forays.


I would agree with this Wiking especially as regards to the MEP elections looming.

Ogenoct on the other hand seems to gloss over things involving jews downplaying their role in events every time.

I would disagree with this.People see what they choose to see.Jews cannot act without the complicity of non Jews ie,goy boys:)

A case in point is their involvement in the training of the Georgian troops.

The AmeriKans were there first.I also noticed from photos taken in South Ossetia(the war nerd website I think) and Georgia,many destroyed and burnt out Land Rovers.I think it is the British that manufacture Land Rovers.Besides,from the ramblings of the Georgian defence minister in the Jewish press,he reads like a proper dimwit.

Neverwinter
23rdAugust2008, 04:39
With all respect as I do not mean this to be insulting to anyone, the way I see it is this: (my disclaimer is that I do not consider myself to be as knowledgeable)

IMPERIUM drags the jews into almost every argument. He may be right but even so, doing it every time may alienate people who would otherwise listen to and agree to his arguments. This should be kept in mind in view of the MEP elections and for future political forays.

Ogenoct on the other hand seems to gloss over things involving jews downplaying their role in events every time.
A case in point is their involvement in the training of the Georgian troops.Your thoughts are shared by myself as well.

I will not hide my true thoughts on Zionist supremacists but it would not be good PR if I were contesting an election to volunteer my opinion on something that will surely show my seething rage, even if justified, to an ignorant and manipulated voting populace. Certain groups use that to their advantage to discredit those they do not like when someone is threatening their power.

No one is asking Norman to change his mind on this issue but rather to moderate himself and to think before he speaks.

Sepp is right in saying that it takes the goys to make the non-goy ambitions come to fruition also. We all have the right to a difference of opinion. People insult Constantin regularly but I like the chap. He believes in our Vision and he is leading from the front.

It seems to me that Constantin is misunderstood much too often by people who border on the hobby-nutzi region and most certainly by the actual nutzis.
:D

Sepp44
23rdAugust2008, 14:50
Your thoughts are shared by myself as well.

I will not hide my true thoughts on Zionist supremacists but it would not be good PR if I were contesting an election to volunteer my opinion on something that will surely show my seething rage, even if justified, to an ignorant and manipulated voting populace. Certain groups use that to their advantage to discredit those they do not like when someone is threatening their power.

No one is asking Norman to change his mind on this issue but rather to moderate himself and to think before he speaks.

Sepp is right in saying that it takes the goys to make the non-goy ambitions come to fruition also. We all have the right to a difference of opinion. People insult Constantin regularly but I like the chap. He believes in our Vision and he is leading from the front.

It seems to me that Constantin is misunderstood much too often by people who border on the hobby-nutzi region and most certainly by the actual nutzis.
:D

If I were playing bingo I would shout 'HOUSE'!:D

wiking
25thAugust2008, 13:45
Your thoughts are shared by myself as well.

I will not hide my true thoughts on Zionist supremacists but it would not be good PR if I were contesting an election to volunteer my opinion on something that will surely show my seething rage, even if justified, to an ignorant and manipulated voting populace. Certain groups use that to their advantage to discredit those they do not like when someone is threatening their power.

No one is asking Norman to change his mind on this issue but rather to moderate himself and to think before he speaks.

Sepp is right in saying that it takes the goys to make the non-goy ambitions come to fruition also. We all have the right to a difference of opinion. People insult Constantin regularly but I like the chap. He believes in our Vision and he is leading from the front.

It seems to me that Constantin is misunderstood much too often by people who border on the hobby-nutzi region and most certainly by the actual nutzis.
:D


Of course we all have the right to our opinions. That's why I said I meant no disrespect to Constantin. It was a genuine comment on my part.

Basically I am trying to balance the extremes.

And I agree with you and Sepp in that the goyim have got to grow some balls (myself included) and start seriously defying the chosen ones. I acknowledge that yes, it is very convenient to blame our faults and our inaction on another group of people. Recently I have started reasoning this way: if you open yourself to others intent on doing you harm, if you let them or even invite them to do so, then don't blame the ones who're doing the screwing.

Having said all this, there are too many things pointing to the chosen ones, though.

Neverwinter
28thAugust2008, 04:20
Of course we all have the right to our opinions. That's why I said I meant no disrespect to Constantin. It was a genuine comment on my part.

Basically I am trying to balance the extremes.

And I agree with you and Sepp in that the goyim have got to grow some balls (myself included) and start seriously defying the chosen ones. I acknowledge that yes, it is very convenient to blame our faults and our inaction on another group of people. Recently I have started reasoning this way: if you open yourself to others intent on doing you harm, if you let them or even invite them to do so, then don't blame the ones who're doing the screwing.

Having said all this, there are too many things pointing to the chosen ones, though.I see it too as does any man/woman who researches and analyzes our predicament. It is a good feeling to not be amongst the herd of bleating sheeple. ;) With knowledge and wisdom comes great responsibility though. I am still learning that.

Fight the good fight my dear comrade. Fight for that which you love and do it in the wisest manner that you can. Support those and only those who deserve it for there is no one else. All else is delusion. Europe is dying very quickly. Malta as part dies with Her.