Turanic Sumerians?

[White Lykos]

I have read few opinions about the Sumerians, and their strange civilization, even that they were aliens (!:eek: !).

What do you know about them and what’s your personal opinion.

Were they Aryans?

Were they a mix of Aryan and Semite elements?

Or Finno Ugric people? I have listened that they used to draw the faces of the people to look like the east-Baltic type.:confused:

What do you think about that (not only about their racial type, but about their tribal too)?:)

[Freedom]

If we take into account that the Sumerians called themselves 'black headed people', we'd exclude Aryan and Finno-Ugric. Their strange, monosyllabic language is unclassified, though there were many unsuccesful attempts to connect it with the Ural-Altaic group. Lately I also read that it could be classified as Turkic.

From another forum, I don't have the link for this.

The name Sumer is an Akkadian name for the TUR people who called themselves "KI-EN-GI(R)".

In his book entitled "A Manual of Sumerian Grammar and Texts", John L. Hayes [5] [John L. Hayes, "A Manual of Sumerian Grammar and Texts", Undena Publications, Malibu, 1990, p. 48.] notes the following:

"KI-EN-GI THIS GEOGRAPHICAL NAME (GN) IS ALWAYS WRITTEN SYLLABICALLY. THE ETYMOLOGY IS UNSURE; THIS IS DISCUSSED BELOW. THE WORD ENDED IN A /R/, NOT REFLECTED IN THE SCRIPT. THE AKKADIAN EQUIVALENT OF KIENGI WAS SHUMERU. THIS AKKADIAN WORD MAY BE A DIALECTAL PRONOUNCIATION OF THE WORD KIENGI(R). THE ENGLISH WORD "SUMER" IS USUALLY THOUGHT TO DERIVE FROM THE AKKADIAN FORM.

THE FIRST APPEARANCE OF KI-EN-GI IS IN AN INSCRIPTION OF ENSHAKUSHANNA OF URUK (WHO RULED APPROXIAMATELY 2432-2403 BC) WHO REFERS TO HIMSELF AS: EN-KI-EN-GI LUGAL-KALAM-MA, "THE LORD OF SUMER, THE KING OF THE LAND".

The Turkic names such as KYRGYZ (KIRGIZ / KORGUZ and also KIEN-KUN) [6] ["Türk Dünyasi El Kitabi" by Türk Kültürünü Arastirma Enstitüsü, Ankara, 1992, Vol.1, p. 150], and UIGUR (House of KOR), HUNGAR (KUN-KOR) (Sun-Fire) and in BULGAR (aBa-ULu-GOR) and in KORE / KOREA (KOR ÖY) (House of Fire), etc.. referring to their ancient Turanian religion of SUN-GOD (KÜN-TENGRI) worshipping. The name KI-EN-GI(R), (Akkadian SHUMERU < Tr. "ISHA-MA-ER-U" meaning "He is magnificent Man of Light") indicates that the KI-EN-GIR were the Sun-worshipping people - just like all the other Turs/Turks. The KI-EN-GI(R) people (Sumerians) called the Sun-God by the name UTU which in Turkish is "UT-O" or "OD-O" or "OT-O" meaning "It is Fire". And indeed the Sun is fire. One wonders why the /R/ in the name KI-EN-GIR was dropped? Could it be that some of the readers of the original Sumerians texts wanted to hide away the Turkishness of the name "KI-EN-GI(R) / KENGIR" that the ancient Sumerians called themselves? Could it be that many of the ancient Sumerian texts are not transcribed correctly so that their Turkicness is not recognized? Could it be that we have all been taken for a ride? John Hayes has pointed out some of such misreadings in his book.

John Hayes also notes [page 48] the name KI-EN-GI being in the inscription of ENSHAKUSHANNA OF URUK and referring to himself as: EN-KI-EN-GI LUGAL-KALAM-MA. The name ENSHAKUSHANNA is a title made up with syllabic Turkic words. It appears to be the concatenation of Turkic words in phrase in syllabic form: "EN-ISHA-AKUS-HAN'NA/NI", that is, (Gök-Ishi-Okus/Oguz-Han'ni) meaning "The followers of Oguz-Han the Light of Sky) indicating that king ENSHAKUSHANNA and his people of KI-EN-GI(R) were Akus/Ogus/Oguz worshipping people. Five years of research has revealed that OGUZ-KHAN was the name of the ancient Turanian trinity Sky-God (Tan-Tengri/Kün-Tengri/Ay-Tengri) and the name Oguz represented the Sun and hence the Sun-God of the ancient Turanians. It is most important here to recognize Turkish Prof. Dr. Bahaeddin Ögel who has given us a treasure-chest full of information in his book entitled "Türk Mitolojisi" (Turkish Mythology) [6b] [Prof. Dr. Bahaeddin Öge, "Türk Mitolojisi", Vols. 1 & 2, Devlet Kitaplari, Milli Egitim Basimevi, Istanbul, 1971]. In his book Prof. Ögel likens Oguz Kagan to God (Tanri) himself. So we find the name AKUS/OGUS-HAN embedded in the name of the Sumerian King ENSHAKUSHANNA. This is most enlightening. It must be noted that the time is 2432-2403 BC. when the name of AKUS/OGUZ-HAN is being used. Thus the Sumerian King titled ENSHAKUSHANNA and his people were Sun-God (OGUZ-KAGAN) followers.

It must be noted that all ancient Turanian king titles are transcribed by scholars as long concatenated words rather than being spelled out in syllabic form. When the ancient Tur/Turk names and titles are spelled in totally joined form, which itself is a form of anagrammatizing, their Turkic identity is lost. Thus it becomes clear that we are face to face with a very subtle game of distorting ancient Turanic titles. If EN-KI-EN-GI LUGAL-KALAM-MA can be spelled out in syllabic form, other Sumerian king titles could also be spelled out in syllabic form which would make their identification quite easy. For example, let us take a look at the title EN-KI-EN-GI(R) LUGAL-KALAM-MA. The title appears to be in three parts:

First part is: EN-KI-EN-GI(R); in Turkic form: HEN / HAN KIENGI(R)/KENGIR meaning "The Khan of KIENGI(R)/KENGIR" (Khan of the Sumerians);

Second part is: LUGAL meaning "KING"; in Turkic form: LUGAL from Turkic "uLU-aGa-AL" meaning "Great Lord AL (SUN)" referring to the "RED-SUN" of sky as the KING. It must be noted that even the modern term "KING" is from the Turkish phrase "KIN-aGa" (Kün-Aga) meaning "LORD-SUN". The Sun (Kin / Kün / Gün in Turkish) is indeed the King of the Sky. When it shines everything else in the sky disappears from sight.

Third part is: KALAM-MA; in Turkic form: "aKa-ALAM-MA" (Aka/Aga Alem Ma) meaning "The Magnificent Lord of Universe".

Thus the title EN-KI-EN-GI(R) LUGAL-KALAM-MA deifies this Sumerian king so that he refers to himself not only as "HAN KIENGI(R)/KENGIR "the Khan of the Land of Sumer", but also the "ULU-AGA-AL" the Sun (Sun-God) and "AKA-ALAM-MA" the Father God of the universe". This type of deifiying ancient Tur/Turk rulers (Kings) was the tradition (TORA / TÖRE) in the ancient Turanian world. Thus the title of the king is: "KING OF KENGIR, SUN-GOD AND THE LORD OF THE UNIVERSE". The ancient Tur/Turk MASARIAN (so-called EGYPTIAN) king names are clear examples of such transcriptions alienated from Turkic. One such example being King AKHENATEN - the ancient Masarian ruler (Pharoah). The Turkic form of the title AKHENATEN is a) AK-HAN-ATA-AN meaning White-Lord-Father-of-Sky referring to the Sun God (Sun); and b) AK-HAN-OT-AN meaning White-Lord-Fire-of-Sky referring again to the Sun. The scholars have claimed wrongly that he was the first Masarian king to claim the Sun as the main deity - which he was not. The Tur/Turk Masarian (so-called Egyptian) Kings were always Sun-worshipping people - just like their ancient KI-EN-GIR (Sumerian) kins. Many scholars already point out that the Sumerians and Masarians were very similar to one another.

Additionally the Sumerian (Ki-en-gi(r)) city name URUK is very much the same as the Turkic URUK / ÖRÜK (örük/örülmüs) meaning "interwoven, built up" as in the case of a city. Uruk was one of the main Sumerian cities. The name is derived from the Turkish verb "örmek", hence, örü, örük, ör/ur, uru, uruk, etc..

In view of all these Sumerian and Turkish linguistic correspondences in the given Sumerian titles and names, if Sumerian and Turkish are not regarded as the same language by scholars, then they are looking for something that is not there.

So could be Turkic (Turanid) as you said or some Turkic-Semitic blend..