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Neverwinter
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Treblinka

Wartime Aerial Photos of Treblinka Cast New Doubt on "Death Camp" Claims

by Mark Weber and Andrew Allen

Treblinka is widely regarded as the second most important German wartime extermination center. Only Auschwitz-Birkenau is supposed to have claimed more lives.

Treblinka became the focus of worldwide attention in 1987-1988 during the 14-month trial in Jerusalem of John (Ivan) Demjanjuk, a Ukrainian-born American factory worker. As Treblinka's "Ivan the Terrible," Demjanjuk supposedly operated the machinery used to gas hundreds of thousands of Jews there. Citing testimony by Jewish survivors, the Israeli court that condemned him to death in April 1988 declared that more than 850,000 Jews were killed at Treblinka between July 1942 and August 1943.

After the death sentence was handed down, Demjanjuk's family was able to discover previously suppressed evidence -- much of it from Soviet Russian archives -- indicating that the real "Ivan the Terrible" was another Ukrainian named Ivan Marchenko (or Marczenko). This new evidence discredited the courtroom testimony of five Jewish camp survivors, each of whom had "positively" identified Demjanjuk as the sadistic mass murderer of Treblinka. (note 1)

As historians know, and as common sense would suggest, such decades-old testimony is far less trustworthy than contemporary records or forensic evidence. (note 2)

And yet, Treblinka's reputation as a mass extermination center is based almost entirely on precisely such subjective and unprovable testimony by former prisoners -- evidence that has proven to be notoriously unreliable in several major trials of alleged "Nazi war criminals." (note 3)

There is no documentary evidence that Treblinka was an extermination center. In fact, contemporary records suggest that the camp had a very different function.

Aerial reconnaissance photographs taken in 1944 of the Treblinka "death camp" site -- and forgotten for almost 45 years in the National Archives in Washington, DC -- cast serious doubts on the widely accepted story that it was a mass extermination center.

Discovered in 1989, and published here for the first time in the United States, these German reconnaissance photos corroborate other evidence indicating that Treblinka was actually a transit camp. (note 4)

These photographs indicate that the remarkably small camp was not isolated, or even particularly well guarded. (They clearly show that fields where Polish farmers planted and cultivated crops were directly adjacent to the camp perimeter.)

Moreover, the camp's burial area quite obviously appears too small to contain the hundreds of thousands of bodies supposedly buried there. (Casting doubt on the widely accepted story of hundreds of thousands of Treblinka victims, these photos suggest instead that only those deportees who died during the sometimes protracted rail journey to the camp were buried there.)

'Steam Chambers'

The generally accepted story today is that hundreds of thousands of Jews were killed at Treblinka in gas chambers with poisonous exhaust from engines. But the "original" Treblinka extermination story was that Jews were steamed to death there in "steam chambers."

According to an "eyewitness" account received in November 1942 in London from the Warsaw ghetto underground organization, Jews were exterminated in "death rooms" at Treblinka with "steam coming out of the numerous holes in the pipes." (note 5) In August 1943, the New York Times reported that two million Jews had already been killed at Treblinka by steaming them to death. (note 6)

The Treblinka steam story is also given in detail in The Black Book of Polish Jewry, a work published in New York in 1943 and "sponsored" by Albert Einstein, Mrs. Eleanor Roosevelt, Congressman Sol Bloom, New York Mayor Fiorello LaGuardia, and other personalities. (note 7) Another book, Lest We Forget, published in New York in 1943 by the World Jewish Congress, describes in detail how Jews were steamed to death, and provides a diagram showing the location of the purported "boiler room" that produced the "live steam." (note 8)

According to a 1944 "eyewitness" account compiled by the OSS, the principle US intelligence agency, Jews at Treblinka "were in general killed by steam and not by gas as had been at first suspected." (note 9)

At the main uremberg trial of 1945-1946, two conflicting stories were given: steaming and gassing. Former Treblinka prisoner Samuel Rajzman testified that Jews were killed there in gas chambers. (note 10) (To confuse matters still more, a few months earlier Rajzman claimed that during the time he was in Treblinka, Jews were "suffocated to death" there with a machine that pumped air out of death chambers.) (note 11)

American prosecutors at the main Nuremberg trial supported the steam story. As proof, a Polish government report dated December 5, 1945, was submitted as prosecution exhibit USA-293. It charged that Jews were killed at the camp "by suffocating them in steam-filled chambers." This report, which says nothing about poison gas killings, was published in the official Nuremberg trial record as document PS-3311. (note 12) An American prosecutor quoted from this report during his address to the Tribunal on December 14, 1945. (note 13)

Although no reputable historian now supports the "steam" story, and little has been heard of it during the last several decades, it was revived in a widely-circulated booklet published in 1979 and 1985 by the influential Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith. (note 14)

There may have been a factual basis for the "steam chamber" stories. It is quite possible that there was indeed some kind of steaming operation at Treblinka -- but one designed to kill disease-carrying lice, not people. Such disinfection steaming was commonly used in German camps for Allied prisoners of war. (note 15)

Shortly after the war, the World Jewish Congress published The Black Book, a 559-page volume of real and imagined wartime atrocities against Jews. At Treblinka alone, the book alleges, three million persons were killed. Three diabolical techniques, including poison gas and steam, were supposedly used there to kill some 10,000 Jews daily. But "the most widespread" method "consisted of pumping all the air out from the chambers with large special pumps." (note 16) A former inmate testified shortly after the war that Treblinka's victims were "poisoned by the different gasses or asphyxiated when the chamber was turned into a vacuum and all the air sucked out." (note 17)

In the Nuremberg trial of Oswald Pohl, U.S. Judge Michael A. Musmanno declared that "death was inflicted here [at Treblinka] by gas and steam, as well as by electric current." Citing Nuremberg document PS-3311, Musmanno declared: "After being filled up to capacity the chambers were hermetically closed and steam was let in." (note 18)

Adolf Eichmann, the wartime head of the SS Jewish affairs section, said in 1961 during pre-trial interrogation in Israel that during the war he "was told" that Jews were gassed at Treblinka "with potassium cyanide." (note 19)

One of the strangest Treblinka extermination stories, which appeared in September 1942 in a Polish underground periodical, claimed that Jews were killed there with a "delayed action" gas: (note 20)





They enter it [the gas chamber] in groups of 300-500 people. Each group is immediately closed hermetically inside, and gassed. The gas does not affect them immediately, because the Jews still have to continue on to the pits that are a few dozen meters away, and whose depth is 30 meters. There they fall unconscious, and a digger covers them with a thin layer of earth. Then another group arrives.









According to the testimony of yet another "eyewitness," a Jew named Oskar Berger who escaped from the camp, many Jews were systematically put to death at Treblinka by shooting them with rifle and machine-gun fire. (note 21)





Diesel Gassing

In recent years, the most widely-circulated story has been that Jews were gassed at Treblinka with carbon monoxide from the exhaust of a diesel engine. (note 22)

However, as American engineer Friedrich Berg has established, this story is improbable for technical reasons. (note 23) In spite of the obnoxious odor of diesel exhaust, diesel engines produce much smaller quantities of toxic carbon monoxide than ordinary gasoline motors. (note 24) It would thus be difficult efficiently to gas large numbers of people using diesel exhaust. A normal gasoline engine would be much more logical. (note 25)

It is important to keep in mind that the "evidence" now usually cited for diesel gassing at Treblinka is no more credible than the evidence that was once presented for steaming and suffocating. Apparently the steaming and suffocating stories have been dropped for the sake of credible consistency.

Solid evidence for gassings at Treblinka has proven to be very elusive. For example, it turned out that none of the witnesses in the 1951 West German "Treblinka" court case ever actually saw anyone being gassed. "The type of gas used to kill the people there [Treblinka] cannot be determined with certainty because none of the witnesses was able to witness this procedure," the judges declared in their verdict. (note 26)

At least some former Treblinka prisoners testified in postwar West German trials that they not only never saw a gas chamber, but did not even hear about gassings from others. (note 27)

Holocaust historians today are not able to agree about the number of homicidal "gas chambers" at Treblinka. Raul Hilberg maintains that there were three at first, but because they were allegedly not adequate for the job, more were built later on. There were eventually six or perhaps ten chambers, he reports. (note 28) Others have reported the existence of 13 gas chambers at Treblinka. (note 29)

[b]Bomba's Testimony[/b]

One of the most memorable testimonies about Treblinka presented in Shoah, the nine-and-a-half-hour Holocaust film by French Jewish film maker Claude Lanzmann, is that of Abraham Bomba. He told how he and other Jewish barbers cut the hair of the naked Jews who were about to be gassed. They worked inside "the" gas chamber (he always spoke of one chamber), which was "around four by four meters" (about 12 feet by 12 feet). Bomba also reported that "140 or 150 women," with children, as well as 16 or 17 barbers, were inside this small room. In addition, there were benches where the women sat while their hair was cut, as well as two or more German guards.

The barbers had to leave the chamber for five minutes while the victims were gassed, Bomba said, and it took just one minute to clear out the 140 or so corpses, and clean the floor and walls, before everything was ready for the next batch of victims. (note 30)

Bomba's moving testimony, which conservative writer George Will called the "most stunning in this shattering film," is simply not credible.

[b]Treblinka Labor Camp[/b]

About one mile (1.5 km) from the "extermination camp," which was known as "Treblinka II," was a penal labor camp for Poles and Jews known as "Treblinka I." It was not at all secret. The 1941 directive announcing the establishment of the "Treblinka Labor Camp" was published in both Polish and German in widely distributed official journals. (note 31) Poles and Jews worked in a large sand and gravel quarry at the Treblinka labor camp. (note 32)

As wartime aerial reconnaissance photographs clearly show, the Treblinka T-I labor camp was located at the end of the rail spur on which the Treblinka T-II "extermination" (transit) camp was also located. This fact strengthens the thesis that the T-II camp was not particularly secret, since penal labor prisoners being taken by train to and from the publicly known T-I camp passed directly by the supposedly top secret T-II "extermination" camp. (note 33)

[b]Documentary Evidence[/b]

Documents found after the war confirm that large numbers of Jews were deported to Treblinka in 1942 and 1943. German railway records report the transfer of trainloads of "settlers" ("Umsiedler") and "workers" to Treblinka from various places in Poland and from other countries. (note 34)

In July 1942, a senior German railway official reported to the chief of Himmler's personal staff that 5,000 Jews were being transported daily to Treblinka. (note 35) An August 3, 1942, German "Ostbahn" railway directive similarly reported that special trains would be carrying "resettlers" from Warsaw to Treblinka daily, until further notice. (note 36)

Interestingly, it was not until September 1, 1942, that the Treblinka train station was closed to passenger rail travel by the general public ("to permit a smooth handling of the special resettlement trains"), which suggests that German officials were not particularly concerned with keeping the deportations or the station secret. (note 37)

Other records mention trains to Treblinka in March 1943 from Vienna, Bulgaria and Greece. (note 38) From Vienna and Luxembourg, Jews reportedly arrived at the camp in passenger train coaches, and the deportees were given food and medical care during their journey. (note 39) In at least one case, a train with sleeping cars and a dining car arrived at Treblinka. (note 40)

German railway records have been cited as evidence that hundreds of thousands of Jews were exterminated at Treblinka. (note 41) While there is little doubt that these documents are genuine, and that they confirm transports of Jews to Treblinka, they are not proof of an extermination program. (note 42)

[b]Transit Camp[/b]

If Treblinka was not an extermination center, what was it? As already mentioned, the balance of evidence indicates that Treblinka II -- along with Belzec and Sobibor -- was a transit camp, where Jewish deportees were stripped of their property and valuables before being transferred eastwards into German-occupied Soviet territories. (note 43)

The generally-accepted story is that Treblinka II was a "pure" extermination center, from which no Jew was permitted to leave alive. (note 44) However, credible reports of deportations of Jews from Treblinka refute the allegation that all Jews sent there were destined for extermination, and indicate instead that the camp functioned as a transit center.

In the aftermath of the April 1943 Warsaw ghetto uprising, for example, Jews were transported from Warsaw to Treblinka II. As some of the deportees later confirmed, after a "selection" in the camp, trainloads of hundreds of Jews were taken from Treblinka to Lublin (Majdanek), and possibly other camps. (note 45) Several thousand Jews (at least) were transferred by German authorities from Treblinka to other camps, a postwar German court determined. (note 46)

Letters and postcards that arrived in the Warsaw ghetto from Jews who, by all accounts, had been deported to Treblinka, indicate that the camp was a transit center from where Jews were resettled in the occupied Soviet territories. These messages, which arrived from settlements and camps in Belarus (Byelorussia), Ukraine, and even Russia proper (near Smolensk), were written by Jews who had been deported in 1942. Some letters and cards had been sent by mail and some had arrived through the underground. Many mentioned that the senders were working hard, but confirmed that they (and often their children) were being fed. (note 47)

Completely contrary to its supposed character as a top secret extermination center, Treblinka was neither secret nor even closely guarded, as both former inmates and officials have confirmed. "Secrecy? Good heavens, there was no secrecy about Treblinka," Jewish prisoner Richard Glazer later testified. "All the Poles between there and Warsaw must have known about it, and lived off the proceeds. All the peasants came to barter, the Warsaw whores did business with the Ukrainians -- it was a circus for all of them." Polish farmers worked the fields that directly adjoined the camp. "And many others," said Jewish survivor Berek Rojzman, "came to the fence to barter, mostly with the Ukrainians, but with us too." (note 48)

Even regular German concentration camps such as Dachau and uchenwald were much more closely guarded than Treblinka. As already mentioned, aerial reconnaissance photographs taken in 1944 confirm that the area around Treblinka was not cleared. The photos show that one perimeter of the camp passed through a wooded area, and that cultivated fields where Polish farmers worked were directly adjacent to the camp perimeter. (note 49)

[b]How Many Victims?[/b]

Shortly after the end of the war, the World Jewish Congress and at least one former Treblinka prisoner alleged that more than three million Jews had been exterminated there. (note 50) More recent estimates of the number of people allegedly killed at Treblinka range from between 700,000 (Leon Poliakov and Uwe Adam), 750,000 (Raul Hilberg and Encyclopaedia Judaica), 870,000 (Yitzhak Arad), to more than 900,000 (Wolfgang Scheffler and Washington Post). (note 51)

There is no documentary or physical evidence for any of these figures, which are simply conjectural estimates.

[b]Layout and Size[/b]

Diagrams published in recent years that show Treblinka as a neatly organized, rectangular-shaped camp are not accurate. (note 52) As already mentioned, though, wartime aerial reconnaissance photographs confirm that the Treblinka II camp was actually unsymmetrically four-sided and irregularly shaped. (note 53)

One of the most remarkable features of the Treblinka "death camp" is its small size. The entire Treblinka II camp area was only 32 or 33 acres (13 hectares), or about onetwentieth of a square mile. (note 54) Even smaller was the alleged "extermination" area of the camp, which was 200 by 250 meters in size (or five hectares) according to purportedly authoritative sources. (note 55)

Poland's "Central Commission" announced shortly after the war that the burial or "ditches" area where the bodies of Treblinka's victims were buried (before they were supposedly later dug up for burning) was about two hectares or five acres (or some 20,235 square meters). (note 56) And according to a diagram in a book about Treblinka by Jewish Holocaust historian Alexander Donat, the camp's "ditches" area was not more than 80 or 100 meters in length and about 50 meters wide -- that is, a maximum of 5,000 square meters or half a hectare. (note 57)

By comparison, the mass graves area in the Katyn forest (near Smolensk), which held the bodies of some 4,500 Polish officers who had been killed by Soviet secret police and buried there in 1940, measured about 500 square meters. (note 58)

In short, it is very difficult to accept that anything like 700,000 or 800,000 bodies could have been buried in the minuscule area allegedly set aside at Treblinka for this purpose.

[b]Cremation Inconsistencies[/b]

Between April and July 1943, the corpses of Treblinka's hundreds of thousands of victims were allegedly dug up from the burial pits and burned with "dry wood and branches" on grids made of rails in batches of 2,000 or 2,500. The residual "ash and bits of bone" were dumped back into the burial pits, and covered with a layer of sand and dirt two meters deep. This was done, it is said, in order to eliminate the physical evidence of mass extermination. (note 59)

Although enormous amounts of fuel would have been needed to cremate the hundreds of thousands of alleged corpses, there is no documentary record or witness recollection of the great quantities of firewood that would have been required. According to Polish-Jewish historian Rachel Auerbach, fuel to burn bodies was not needed at Treblinka because "the bodies of woman," which had more fat, "were used to kindle, or more accurately put, to build the fires among the piles of corpses." Even more incredible, "blood, too, was found to be first-class combustion material," she wrote. (note 60)

[b]Missing Remains[/b]

A wartime Warsaw ghetto internee, Dr. Adolf Berman, testified in the 1961 Eichmann trial that he visited the Treblinka camp site shortly after the Soviet occupation of Poland. He told the Jerusalem court that he saw "an area of several square kilometers covered with bones and skulls, and nearby tens upon tens of thousands of shoes, many of them children's shoes." (note 61)

Berman's testimony, which was considered one of the most emotionally moving of the Eichmann trial, is completely inconsistent with known facts. For one thing, the entire Treblinka camp was much smaller than one square kilometer in size, and no other witness has confirmed the presence of "tens of thousands" of shoes.

Jewish historian Rachel Auerbach, a member of an official Polish commission that inspected the camp site in November 1945 -- that is, a few months after the end of the war -- reported finding large human bones, "rotted masses of corpses," "pieces of half-rotted corpses," and "fully dressed" corpses, at the Treblinka camp site. (note 62)

In the area where the gas chambers were supposed to have been located, the commission's team of 30 excavation workers reportedly found "human remains, partially in the process of decay," and an unspecified amount of ash. Untouched sandy soil was reached at 7.5 meters, at which point the digging was halted. An accompanying photograph of an excavated pit reveals some large bones. (note 63)

Poland's "Central Commission for Investigation of German Crimes" reported that "large quantities of ashes mixed with sand, among which are numerous human bones, often with the remains of decomposing tissues," were found in the five acre (two hectare) burial area during an examination of the site shortly after the end of the war. (note 64)

The presence of uncremated human remains is not consistent with the often-repeated allegation that all such remains were thoroughly destroyed. Significantly, none of the Polish reports specifies the quantity of human remains, the numbers of corpses, or the amount of ash found at the camp site, which suggests that evidence of hundreds of thousands of victims was not found. (note 65)

In spite of its often inconsistent, contradictory and implausible character, testimony indicating that many Jews lost their lives at Treblinka cannot easily be dismissed. Many Jewish prisoners doubtless perished during their rail journey to the camp site, and were almost certainly buried there. Furthermore, it is plausible and even likely that hundreds and perhaps thousands of Jews who were too weak or ill to continue the eastbound journey from the camp were killed there by officials acting on their own authority.

All the same, there is no hard or compelling evidence that Treblinka was a mass extermination center where hundreds of thousands of Jews were systematically put to death. To the contrary, credible reports of transfers of Jews from Treblinka eastwards to the occupied Soviet territories, the relative lack of secrecy and security in the camp, and the small size of the area where the bodies were supposedly buried, all suggest instead that this was a transit center.

Marco Polo
23rdJune2005, 17:52
vivamalta should start a travel agency called reality tours. as well as showing the wonders that then europid has created we can have a special fantasy tour around the 'death camps'

Neverwinter
23rdJune2005, 20:03
When these lies of 6 million 'precious Jews' slain are exposed in the mainstream there will be hell to pay for the perpetrators of this great hoax. That is a certainty. I actually will feel sorry for some of the 'chosen people' when the truth is known about what they have done and continue to do through globalization and inciting wars. There are some Jews that are nearly as disgusted as ourselves about the lies continually being pounded in the media and academia. I have the utmost respect for these Jews who honour truth above the great lie. However, they shall have no place in the coming Imperivm. Borders sealed..Europids only. Hail the Imperivm!

IMPERIUM
23rdJune2005, 21:04
Re: Treblinka
________________________________________
"You are of your father the devil:
He was a murderer from the beginning:
and a LIAR!

When YOU speak:
even in your natural tongue:
you can speak only LIES!"
John 46

A Jew, is a Jew, is a Jew.
They can never change.
Them! The eternal liars!

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IMPERIUM
2ndSeptember2007, 09:46
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Elderly anti-Communist
Ukrainian refugee still being hounded

Nearly two decades after the collapse of Communism, a postwar refugee
fleeing this Jewish-created scourge has been stripped of his citizenship
and now faces deportation, having been cleared of the original, fantastic
charges against him of wartime atrocities. While the U.S. Justice
Department turns a blind eye to the millions of illegal non-white invaders
pouring across our borders, it has made it a priority to denaturalize and
deport this one elderly, law-abiding Eastern European.

Ex-Nazi guard John Demjanjuk may be deported from U.S. soon mhtml:mid://00000745/%21http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/images/0.gif Associated Press Saturday, 25 August 2007


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John Demjanjuk

mhtml:mid://00000745/%21http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/images/0.gif CLEVELAND — After a 30-year international court fight to stay in the
U.S., a man accused of concealing a past as a Nazi concentration camp
guard could be out of options if a single pending ruling goes against him,
his attorney said.

"If we lose it, we're sort of at the end of the road, and the Justice
Department is going to try and deport him. That's my guess," said John
Broadley, John Demjanjuk's lawyer.

Demjanjuk's case is the second longest Nazi prosecution in the Justice
Department's records.
mhtml:mid://00000745/%21http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/images/0.gif The department first brought charges seeking to revoke Demjanjuk's
citizenship and deport him on Aug. 25, 1977. He is now 87.

In July, the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals received final briefs on
whether the nation's former chief immigration judge, Michael Creppy, had
authority to rule in 2005 that Demjanjuk can be deported to the Ukraine,
or as an alternative to Germany or Poland.

Broadley's argument is that Creppy was an administrator who should have
appointed an immigration judge to hear Demjanjuk's case, rather than
handle it himself. Broadley wants Demjanjuk's deportation order tossed out
and a whole new hearing held.

Initially accused as 'sadistic, murderous Nazi guard'

The appeals court has not indicated when it will rule. Creppy had refused
to consider Demjanjuk's long-held argument that he was a prisoner of war
forced into labor camps, and not a Nazi guard. Creppy relied on a U.S.
district judge's decision in 2002 and affirmed on appeal in 2004 that
Demjanjuk had been a Nazi guard at Sobibor and other Nazi death or labor
camps.

Meanwhile, Demjanjuk and his wife live in a Cleveland suburb with a "No
Trespass" sign in their front yard. Demjanjuk's family has guarded his privacy
and consistently denied media attempts to interview him.

"It's very difficult to imagine the pressure and the energy needed to wage
this struggle for all these many years, but he's never wavered," said Rev.
John Nakonachny, pastor at St. Vladimir's Ukrainian Orthodox Cathedral,
where Demjanjuk and his wife are parishioners.

Demjanjuk, who born in the Ukraine, was initially accused of having been
the sadistic, murderous Nazi guard Ivan the Terrible, notorious for torturing
doomed men, women and children as he forced them to gas chambers.

Exonerated once following Israeli show trial

He was extradited to Israel in 1986, eventually convicted of crimes against
humanity in a globally watched trial and sentenced to death by hanging.
But Israel's Supreme Court overturned the conviction in 1993, largely on
evidence from the former Soviet Union that another Ukrainian was the brutal
Treblinka guard.

Demjanjuk's U.S. citizenship that was revoked in 1981, was restored in 1998
and revoked again in 2002.

"Getting Demjanjuk finally removed from the United States remains the
government's intent," said Eli Rosenbaum, director of the Justice
Department's Nazi-hunting Office of Special Investigations.

Rosenbaum refused to say what plans may have been made regarding
Demjanjuk's deportation.

"We can only send him to a country that will accept him," Rosenbaum said.
"I would point out, though, that when Demjanjuk was released from prison by
the Israeli supreme court in 1993 and was understandably eager to leave Israel,
the one country in the world that offered him a visa was the Ukraine."

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Sepp44
2ndSeptember2007, 11:27
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Demjanjuk, who born in the Ukraine, was initially accused of having been
the sadistic, murderous Nazi guard Ivan the Terrible, notorious for torturing
doomed men, women and children as he forced them to gas chambers.


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If I remember correctly,Demjanuk was originally charged with being 'Ivan the terrible' at Treblinka and NOT Sobibor. Demjanuk always stated he was never there.The 'eye witnesses' that identified Demjanuk as Ivan the terrible of Treblinka were proved to be unreliable or plain liars.This was in the Israeli court.The proof that discredited the 'eye witnesses' and cleared Demjanuk was Demjanuks army pay book(the Jews obtained that.)
Demjanuks army pay book(an official document in it's own right),showed that Demjanuk was NEVER at Treblinka contray to what the 'eye witnesses' said.

Sepp44
13thJanuary2008, 01:43
Treblinka Ground Radar Examination Finds No Trace of Mass Graves

A detailed forensic examination of the site of the wartime Treblinka camp, using sophisticated electronic ground radar, has found no evidence of mass graves there.
For six days in October 1999, an Australian team headed by Richard Krege, a qualified electronics engineer, carried out an examination of the soil at the site of the former Treblinka II camp in Poland, where, Holocaust historians say, more than half a million Jews were put to death in gas chambers and then buried in mass graves.
According to the Encyclopedia of the Holocaust (1997), for example, "a total of 870,000 people" were killed and buried at Treblinka between July 1942 and April 1943. Then, between April and July 1943, the hundreds of thousands of corpses were allegedly dug up and burned in batches of 2,000 or 2,500 on large grids made of railway ties.
Krege's team used an $80,000 Ground Penetration Radar (GPR) device, which sends out vertical radar signals that are visible on a computer monitor. GPR detects any large-scale disturbances in the soil structure to a normal effective depth of four or five meters, and sometimes up to ten meters. (GPR devices are routinely used around the world by geologists, archeologists, and police.) In its Treblinka investigation, Krege's team also carried out visual soil inspections, and used an auger to take numerous soil core samples.
The team carefully examined the entire Treblinka II site, especially the alleged "mass graves" portion, and carried out control examinations of the surrounding area. They found no soil disturbance consistent with the burial of hundreds of thousands of bodies, or even evidence that the ground had ever been disturbed. In addition, Krege and his team found no evidence of individual graves, bone remains, human ashes, or wood ashes.
"From these scans we could clearly identify the largely undisturbed horizontal stratigraphic layering, better known as horizons, of the soil under the camp site," says the 30-year old Krege, who lives in Canberra. "We know from scans of grave sites, and other sites with known soil disturbances, such as quarries, when this natural layering is massively disrupted or missing altogether." Because normal geological processes are very slow acting, disruption of the soil structure would have been detectable even after 60 years, Krege noted.
While his initial investigation suggests that there were never any mass graves at the Treblinka camp site, Krege believes that further work is still called for.
"Historians say that the bodies were exhumed and cremated toward the end of the Treblinka camp's use in 1943, but we found no indication that any mass graves ever existed," he says. "Personally, I don't think there was an extermination camp there at all."
Krege is preparing a detailed report on his Treblinka investigation. He says that he would welcome the formation, possibly under United Nations auspices, of an international team of neutral, qualified specialists, to carry out similar investigations at the sites of all the wartime German camps.
Krege and his team are associated with, and funded by, the Adelaide Institute, a south Australia revisionist "think tank." Its director, Dr. Fredrick Töben, was jailed in Germany for seven months in 1999 for disputing Holocaust extermination claims.
(Sources: "'Vernichtungslager' Treblinka: archaelogisch betrachtet," by Ing. Richard Krege, in Vierteljarhreshefte für freie Geschichtsforschung, June 2000 [4. Jg., Heft 1], pp. 62-64; "'No Jewish mass grave' in Poland," The Canberra Times, Jan. 24, 2000, p. 6; "Poland's Jews 'not buried at Treblinka'," The Examiner [Australia], Jan. 24, 2000. [The latter two newspaper items are reprinted in facsimile in VHO-info, May 2000, p. 30.]; Information provided by Richard Krege; M. Weber and A. Allen, "Treblinka," The Journal of Historical Review, Summer 1992, pp. 133-158; "German Court Sentences Australian Holocaust Skeptic," The Journal of Historical Review, July-August 1999, pp. 2-5; Y. Arad, "Treblinka," in I. Gutman, ed., Encyclopedia of the Holocaust [New York: 1997], pp. 1481-1488.)



http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n3p20_radar.html



More info for the discerning holocaust student here.....
http://www.nafcash.com/

Neverwinter
13thJanuary2008, 04:47
Treblinka Ground Radar Examination Finds No Trace of Mass Graves

I recall watching the video more than a year ago. However Sepp, that is not NOOZE. It is damning to holocaustianity and so it cannnot be picked up on and spread through the controlled media. This article and the video footage and the solid credentials of the researches is like a deadly plague to the establishment so they keep their distance because to publish it would chance their entire system with a deadly disease/infection. They must live!!!! They must live so they can maintain their dominion and tend to their sheeple masses.
;)

IMPERIUM
13thJanuary2008, 09:27
The whole truth about the Holocaust is slowly emerging - Only 38,000 Jews perished during WWII -
through typhus, dysentary and malnutrition - due to allied bombing of railways.
German medical, sanitary and food supplies just could not get through to the camps.

This Holocaust lie against the German people must come to an end.
We must expose this lie - it is a priority for the fight against the perfidious Jew.
His whole power rests on this lie - we must rip it to pieces.

And once the Jew is exposed for the eternal liar that he is -
then, and only then, can the liberation of our Peoples from his yoke, succeed.
We must expose the Hollowcause.

Imperium
0801

IMPERIUM
2ndFebruary2008, 09:59
VICTIM OF HATE AND INJUSTICE

US denies appeal
in witch-hunt deportation case

Court Denies Alleged Nazi Guard's Appeal
By TERRY KINNEY
Associated Press Thursday, 31 January 2008

CINCINNATI — A former autoworker from Cleveland who is
accused of being a Nazi death camp guard lost another battle
Wednesday in his 30-year fight to maintain his US citizenship
and residence.

cid:0c7801c8654d$e41863f0$29e85f45@yourxhtr8hvc4p
JOHN DEMJANJUK: Victim of government
persecution and unending Talmudic hate.

A federal appeals court on Wednesday rejected John Demjanjuk's
challenge to a final deportation order of the nation's chief
immigration judge. The order would send Demjanjuk to Germany,
Poland or his native Ukraine.

The government initially claimed Demjanjuk was the notoriously
sadistic guard at the Treblinka camp known as "Ivan the Terrible."
Officials later concluded that he was not, but a judge ruled in
2002 that documents from World War II prove Demjanjuk was a
Nazi guard at various death or forced labor camps.

Demjanjuk's attorney, John Broadley, said he had no comment
on the ruling by a three-judge panel of the 6th US Circuit Court
of Appeal and would not be able to respond until he reviews it.
He would not speculate on what legal options remain.

Justice Department attorney Eli Rosenbaum did not immediately
respond to an e-mail request for comment.

Demjanjuk, who has steadfastly denied that he ever helped the
Nazis, was told of the panel's decision, said Ed Nishnic, his former
son-in-law.

Victim in poor health

"He's been made aware if it," said Nishnic, who is divorced from
Demjanjuk's daughter but remains involved in his defense and acts
as a family spokesman. "He's basically used to decisions that don't
go in our favor, and he's pretty much oblivious to the details.
We'd like him to have peace in his life as much as possible."

Demjanjuk, 87, is generally in poor health, Nishnic said. Demjanjuk
lives in the Cleveland suburb of Seven Hills. He contends that he
served in the Soviet Army, was captured by Germany in 1942 and
became a prisoner of war.

In his latest attempt to avoid deportation for Demjanjuk, Broadley
argued that Michael J. Creppy, the chief immigration judge who
made the 2005 deportation order, was purely an administrative
official and not entitled to act as an immigration judge.

The appeals court panel rejected that argument and refused to
review Creppy's ruling, which was upheld by the Board of
Immigration Appeals in 2006.

"Demjanjuk essentially asks this court to ignore the plain meaning
of the words 'Immigration Judge' because Creppy's title also
included the word 'Chief,'" the court said. "The word 'Chief' does
not somehow alter the fundamental meaning of the words
'Immigration Judge' to make this position entirely managerial,
as Demjanjuk claims it to be."

False charges first brought in 1977

The decision is the latest in a long legal fight. The Justice
Department first brought charges in 1977 seeking to revoke
Demjanjuk's citizenship and to deport him for falsifying information
on his applications when entering the US in 1952 and to become
a citizen in 1958.

His US citizenship was revoked in 1981, restored in 1998 and
revoked again in 2002. He was extradited to Israel in 1986 and was
under a death sentence, until Israel's Supreme Court ruled in 1993
that he was not the same man as Ivan.

The current deportation case is based on evidence uncovered by
the Justice Department that Demjanjuk was a different guard.
That evidence led courts to again strip Demjanjuk of his citizenship
on the basis of the original falsified information.

Broadley had argued in briefs filed in July 2007 that Demjanjuk likely
would be tortured in Ukraine if sent back there because the US
government never sufficiently disavowed its previous claim that
Demjanjuk was Ivan. The government contends there is no basis
for the argument that Demjanjuk would be tortured.http://ap.google.com:80/article/ALeqM5iOx1Xu6KGMCYbxw5CZ_HuKIUM0MgD8UGH4TG0 (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iOx1Xu6KGMCYbxw5CZ_HuKIUM0MgD8UGH4TG0)


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Eternal Hate.
Eternal Hatred.
Eternal Hatefulness by the Haters of Mankind.

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IMPERIUM
3rdApril2009, 09:23
SCAPEGOAT CHARGES CONTRIVED BY JEWRY

Halt to deportation
sought for witch-hunt victim

Ohio man asks US to halt deportation in Nazi case
By M.R. KROPKO
The Associated Press Wednesday, 1 April 2009

CLEVELAND — An Ohio man with a reputed Nazi past is asking the
United States to block his deportation to Germany, citing humanitarian
reasons. John Demjanjuk made the request in a document filed
Wednesday with Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

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UNENDING PERSECUTION—Ukrainian anti-Communist
war veteran and model citizen John Demjanjuk faces
deportation on trumped-up charges by Jewry seeking
a sacrifical Passover lamb. Here he is seen arriving for
a Feb. 28, 2005, immigration hearing in Cleveland.

Demjanjuk, who turns 89 on Friday, is charged in an arrest warrant
in Germany with 29,000 counts of [allegedly] acting as an accessory
to murder while working as a guard at a Nazi death camp during
World War II.

In the statement dated Tuesday, Demjanjuk tells ICE he is in poor
physical condition and that being sent to Germany would be
inappropriate and degrading treatment.

John Demjanjuk Jr. said Wednesday that his father's worsening health
prompted the decision to contact US immigration officials. He has said
his father suffers from chronic kidney disease and other ailments.

"He doesn't understand all the details," Demjanjuk Jr. said. "He does
understand that he's been ordered deported. He understands that
Germany is considering accepting him and that they're saying they
will arrest him and put him on trial again, like Israel did."

Sentenced to death under earlier false charges

Demjanjuk was sentenced to death in 1988 after being tried and
convicted in Israel for war crimes. In 1993, the Israeli Supreme Court
determined he was not the notorious Nazi death camp guard Ivan
the Terrible at Treblinka in Poland, and he was sent home to Seven
Hills in suburban Cleveland. The charges now place him as a guard
at Sobibor during the war.

The ICE regional office in Detroit, which oversees deportation cases
in Ohio, had no immediate response to Demjanjuk's request, ICE
spokesman Khaalid Walls said.

Munich prosecutors, who are handling the case because Demjanjuk
spent time at a refugee camp in the area after the war, were not
available for comment. Germany's federal office that pursues Nazi-era
crimes has said it believes there is enough evidence to charge him.

'Can't get out of bed without gasping in pain'

The case that led to an arrest warrant is based partly on recently
obtained transport lists of Jewish prisoners who arrived by train at
Sobibor during Demjanjuk's tenure at the camp from March 1943
to September 1943.

"I can't fathom how they will actually follow through with the plans
we've heard about from Germany getting him there and putting him
through any legal proceeding. He can't get up out of a chair on his
own. He can't walk on his own. He can't get up out of bed without
gasping in pain," Demjanjuk Jr. said.

In a letter accompanying the filing, Demjanjuk's lawyer, John Broadley,
confirmed that ICE recently fit his client with a GPS ankle band to
monitor his whereabouts.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/01/AR2009040102268.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/01/AR2009040102268.html)

Meanwhile, millions of "undocumented"
immigrants go unmolested, protected
and fully funded by the US government!


The incredible hatefulness of the Jews.
The servile acquiescence of the USA govt.
The perfidy of Merkel and her govt in Germany.

Imperium
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IMPERIUM
4thApril2009, 09:39
NEWS BULLETIN

Judge blocks Demjanjuk deportation!

'Nazi guard' deportation blocked
BBC News Saturday, 4 April 2009 / 02:24 GMT

CLEVELAND — A US judge has blocked an order to deport an
alleged Nazi concentration camp guard, two days before he
was due to be extradited to Germany.

John Demjanjuk, 89, is accused of involvement in the deaths
of 29,000 Jews at a camp in Nazi-occupied Poland.

He denies any involvement and has asked for asylum in the US,
arguing that deportation would constitute torture.

An immigration judge said the block would stay until a decision
had been reached on whether to re-open his case.

Lawyers for Mr. Demjanjuk say his health is far too poor for him
to make the journey.

In March, Germany issued an arrest warrant for the Ukraine
national over the deaths of thousands of Jews at the Sobibor
camp during World War II.

But Mr. Demjanjuk, who migrated to the US in 1952, says he
was a prisoner of war of the Nazis rather than a prison guard.

Sentenced to death in Israel

In 1986, he was extradited to Israel and sentenced to death
for war crimes, after being identified by witnesses as "Ivan
the Terrible" — a notorious prison guard at the Treblinka camp.

But the Israeli Supreme Court overturned his conviction, when
new evidence emerged suggesting he was not the same guard.

He returned to the US but was accused of lying on his immigration
application about working for the Nazis.

In 2002, a US immigration judge ruled that there was enough
evidence to prove Mr. Demjanjuk had been a guard at several
[alleged] Nazi death camps and stripped him of his citizenship.

German authorities now say they have new evidence linking him
to the crimes of which he has been accused.

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Neverwinter
15thApril2009, 05:06
Source (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=31454)

The True Haters
by Patrick J. Buchanan
14 April 2009

On Good Friday, John Demjanjuk, 89 and gravely ill, was ordered deported to Germany to stand trial as an accessory to the murder of 29,000 Jews -- at Sobibor camp in Poland.

Sound familiar? It should. It is a re-enactment of the 1986 extradition of John Demjanjuk to Israel to be tried for the murder of 870,000 Jews -- at Treblinka camp in Poland.

How many men in the history of this country have been so relentlessly pursued and remorselessly persecuted?

The ordeal of this American Dreyfus began 30 years ago.

In 1979, the Office of Special Investigations (OSI) at Justice, goaded and guided by Yuri Andropov's KGB, was persuaded that Demjanjuk was "Ivan the Terrible," a huge, brutal, sadistic guard at Treblinka, who bashed in babies' heads and slashed off women's breasts, as he drove hundreds of thousands of Jews into the gas chambers.

Demjanjuk's defense was simple: I was never at Treblinka.

Yet, a dozen survivors, shown a photo spread, identified him as the beast of Treblinka. In 1986, OSI had him extradited to Israel. In 1988, he was convicted and sentenced to death. The greatest Holocaust monster since Mengele was to be hanged.

His family, friends and lawyers did not give up. They scoured Europe and, in the last days of the Soviet Union, struck pay dirt. In Moscow's files on Treblinka they discovered a photo of the real "Ivan," a far bigger, more mature man than the 23-year-old Demjanjuk in 1943.

Ivan Marchenko was positively identified as Ivan the Terrible.

To its eternal credit, Israel's Supreme Court threw aside the verdict and stopped Demjanjuk from being the first man hanged in Jerusalem since Adolf Eichmann in 1961.

A humiliated OSI, through its Israeli friends, now asked the court to authorize a new trial, charging Demjanjuk with having been a guard at Sobibor -- during the same time they previously charged he had been at Treblinka.

What OSI was admitting was that its case against Demjanjuk, to see him hang from the gallows as "Ivan the Terrible," had been based on flimsy or falsified evidence and worthless or perjured testimony.

Replied the court, we don't do double jeopardy here in Israel.

Demjanjuk was released. And the grin of the jailer who opened his cell testified that many in Israel never accepted the charge that this simple man was some unrivaled devil of the Holocaust.

So, after 13 years, the last four on death row reflecting on his hanging for horrors he never committed, Demjanjuk came home to Cleveland, a free man. His citizenship was restored.

Though disgraced, OSI was not ready to throw in its hand. For it had been dealt a new card by its old comrades in the KGB.

The new evidence was a signed statement by one "Danilchenko," who claimed to have been a guard at Sobibor and had worked with Demjanjuk. As this document would have blown up the Treblinka case in Jerusalem, OSI had withheld it from the defense.

Another document turned up suggesting that Demjanjuk had indeed, after training at Trawniki camp, been assigned to Sobibor.

When the defense asked to interrogate "Danilchenko," to verify he had made and signed the statement and to question him on details, they were told this was not possible. Seems Danilchenko had died after signing.

So, after the first 13 years of his ordeal took him right up to a gallows in Jerusalem, Demjanjuk has now been pursued for another 17 years by an OSI that will not rest until he has been convicted, somewhere, of genocide.

And so we come to today.

Demjanjuk is to be taken to Germany and prosecuted as an accessory to the murder of 29,000 Jews at Sobibor -- though not one living person can place him at that camp and not even the German prosecutor will say that he ever hurt anyone. One witness in Israel, who was at Sobibor and says he knew all the camp guards, says he never saw Demjanjuk there.

If Friday's ruling is upheld, John Demjanjuk, who has been charged with no crime on German soil, is to be taken to Germany, home of the Third Reich, to be tried by Germans for his alleged role in a genocide planned and perpetrated by Germans. He is to serve as the sacrificial lamb whose blood washes away the stain of Germany's sins.

But if Germans wish to prosecute participants in the Holocaust, why not round up some old big-time Nazis, instead of a Ukrainian POW.

Answer: They cannot. Because the Germans voted an amnesty for themselves in 1969. So now they must find a Slav soldier they captured -- and Heinrich Himmler's SS conscripted and made a camp guard, if he ever was a camp guard -- to punish in expiation for Germany's sins.

The spirit behind this un-American persecution has never been that of justice tempered by mercy. It is the same satanic brew of hate and revenge that drove another innocent Man up Calvary that first Good Friday 2,000 years ago.

IMPERIUM
15thApril2009, 07:53
COURT GRANTS LAST-MINUTE STAY OF DEPORTATION

89-year-old witch-hunt
victim seized without notice

Federal court halts deportation of Demjanjuk
By M.R. KROPKO
The Associated Press Tuesday, 14 April 2009

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HE WASN'T AN ILLEGAL ALIEN — Federal agents seize an ailing John
Demjanjuk, seen here in agony (2nd from rt.), at his home Tuesday.

CLEVELAND — The return of alleged Nazi death camp guard John
Demjanjuk to Germany for trial on war crimes was delayed again
Tuesday by a federal court, shortly after six immigration officers
removed the retired autoworker from his suburban Cleveland
home in a wheelchair.

A three-judge panel of the 6th US Circuit Court of Appeals granted
a stay until it could further consider Demjanjuk's motion to reopen
the US case that ordered him deported, in which he says painful
medical ailments would make travel to Germany torturous.

An arrest warrant in Germany claims Demjanjuk (pronounced
dem-YAHN'-yook) was an accessory to some 29,000 deaths during
World War II at the Sobibor camp in Nazi-occupied Poland. Once in
Germany, he could be formally charged in court.

Citing the need to act because of the possibility of Demjanjuk's
imminent deportation, the court issued the stay without addressing
the US government's argument that the court had no jurisdiction
to rule on Demjanjuk's appeal.

Former son-in-law and family spokesman Ed Nishnic said the family
was relieved the stay was granted.

Moaned in agony as he was wheeled out

"We're delighted. We're prepared to make our arguments with the
6th Circuit, and it's just a shame that Mr. Demjanjuk had to go
through the hell that he went through once again this morning,"
he said as he walked into a federal building in Cleveland where
Demjanjuk was being held.

It was unclear whether Demjanjuk would be returned to his home
in Seven Hills.

As Demjanjuk's wheelchair was loaded into a van at their home,
his wife, Vera, sobbed and held her hands to her mouth. As the van
moved down the street, Vera turned and waved, sobbing in the arms
of a granddaughter.

Several family members, including a 10-year-old grandson, were in
the home when the officers removed Demjanjuk.

Nishnic said Demjanjuk, a native of Ukraine, told his family,
"I love you," in Ukrainian and was aware that the officers were
there to take him to Germany.

Nishnic said his former father-in-law moaned in pain as he was
placed in the wheelchair.

'It was horrendous'

"It was horrendous. He was in such pain. I wouldn't want to see
anyone go through something like that," said granddaughter
Olivia Nishnic, 20.

John Demjanjuk Jr., who filed the appeal with the 6th Circuit
earlier Tuesday, said the government hadn't lived up to earlier
understandings of how his father would be removed.

"They told me that they would have an ambulance. They told me
we would have three to five days' notice, and obviously you
can't believe everything the government tells you," he told The Associated Press by phone while headed back to Cleveland
from the federal appeals court in Cincinnati.

He predicted his father would not survive long enough in Germany
to stand trial.

"If he is deported, if this madness and inhumane action is not
stopped by the 6th Circuit, he will live out his life in a (German)
hospital. He will never be put on trial," he said. "It makes absolutely
no sense that the Germans, after nearly killing him [as a draftee
in the Red Army: ed.] in combat, would try to kill him once again."

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How can we ever forgive those hateful, spiteful rodents?
How can we ever forgive those implacable, satanic sons of pure evil.
How can we ever forgive them.

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Sepp44
15thApril2009, 15:08
Neverwinter [/URL][URL="http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=31454"]Source (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=31454)

The True Haters
by Patrick J. Buchanan
14 April 2009


A most interesting commentary/debate follows this article by Buchanan at the above source although at Takimag,the same article by Buchanan is titled 'German-Guilt Showtrial (http://www.takimag.com/article/german-guilt_showtrial/)'

shadow cup
15thApril2009, 15:09
If the heart is sealed then there can be no forgiveness.
And even if forgiveness is so long a shot to be inconceivable
surely you, an idealist of vision, ought to be able to continue
without allowing personal emnity to consume you from within.

The world continues to turn. The trees continue to blossom.
The waters continue to flow. The future becomes the past.
The young grow old and become dust to become new life.

Looking to the past is not going to give birth to the future.

NormanSoldier
15thApril2009, 15:43
http://www.holocaustdenialvideos.com/one_third_of_the_holocaust.html

The most thing that astonishes me is how well they orchestrated this hoax!!!

IMPERIUM
15thApril2009, 18:27
http://www.euronews.net/2009/04/15/nazi-survivor-deportation-from-us-delayed/

The sheer, pure evil of this marauding tribe of murderers.
God's curse on the whole of humanity.
But they have had their innings and...

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Sepp44
13thMay2009, 16:31
May 12, 2009

Ex-Nazi guard deported (http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/World/Story/STIStory_375652.html)

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The Ukrainian-born Demjanjuk is wanted on a Munich arrest warrant that accuses him of 29,000 counts of accessory to murder as a guard at the Sobibor death camp in Nazi-occupied Poland. -- PHOTO: REUTERS
CLEVELAND - DEPORTED by the United States, retired autoworker John Demjanjuk was carried in a wheelchair onto a jet that departed on Monday evening for Germany, which wants to try him as an accessory to the murders of Jews and others at a Nazi death camp in World War II.

VIDEO
http://www.straitstimes.com/STI/STIMEDIA/image/20090512/rvdemjanjukt.jpg (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:window.open%28%27/Video%2BNews/World/STIVodcast_5200.html?playid=5200&type=World%27,%20%27multimedia%27,%20%27width=850,%20height=625%27%29;%20void%28%27%27%29;) Suspected Nazi guard deported (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:window.open%28%27/Video%2BNews/World/STIVodcast_5200.html?playid=5200&type=World%27,%20%27multimedia%27,%20%27width=850,%20height=625%27%29;%20void%28%27%27%29;)


What happens next
On Monday, a Berlin court rejected an appeal aimed at preventing deportation.

Once in Germany, Demjanjuk will be brought before a judge and formally charged. He will also be given the opportunity to make a statement to the court, in keeping with standard procedure, Staudigl said.
... more (http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/World/Story/BgSty_375652_1.html)

Key dates in the case of John Demjanjuk
- 1920: Born in Ukraine.

- 1942: Captured by German forces while serving in the Soviet Red Army.
... more (http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/World/Story/BgSty_375652_2.html)


Demjanjuk, 89, arrived in an ambulance at Cleveland Burke Lakefront Airport after spending several hours with US immigration officials at a downtown federal building. Airport commissioner Khalid Bahhur confirmed Demjanjuk was on the plane and that its destination is Germany. The deportation came four days after the US Supreme Court refused to consider Demjanjuk's request to block deportation and about 3 1/2 years after he was last ordered deported.
The Ukrainian-born Demjanjuk (pronounced dem-YAHN'-yuk) is wanted on a Munich arrest warrant that accuses him of 29,000 counts of accessory to murder as a guard at the Sobibor death camp in Nazi-occupied Poland. The legal case spans three decades.
A German Justice Ministry spokesman, Mr Ulrich Staudigl, said the retired autoworker was expected to be in Germany by Tuesday.
Demjanjuk denies Germany's accusations, saying he was held by the Germans as a Soviet prisoner of war and was never a camp guard. Demjanjuk's family fought deportation, arguing he is in poor health and might not survive the trans-Atlantic journey.
Rabbi Marvin Hier, a founder of the Los Angeles-based Simon Wiesenthal Center, said Demjanjuk deserves to be punished and that this will probably be the last trial of someone accused of Nazi war crimes.
'His work at the Sobibor death camp was to push men, women and children into the gas chamber,' Rabbi Hier said in a statement. 'He had no mercy, no pity and no remorse for the families whose lives he was destroying.' The center was established to locate and help bring to justice Nazi war criminals. -- AP

etoile noir
13thMay2009, 22:17
i heard about demjanjuk on the radio. a 90 year old! and the newscaster was orgasmic :eek:
for sods sake, cant they leave an old man die in peace?

Marco Polo
13thMay2009, 22:36
i wish someone would just hurry up and wipe the vindictive fucks from the planet.

Sepp44
14thMay2009, 13:29
i heard about demjanjuk on the radio. a 90 year old! and the newscaster was orgasmic :eek:
for sods sake, cant they leave an old man die in peace?

In many ways EN,the holocaust industry is no better than the mafia inc.The business thrives on persecution,extortion,racketeering,protectionism,cronyism,intimidation,money laundering and profiteering.It thrives on the weakness of govts.It preys on the fertile minds of the young.The holocaust industry's ability to socially engineer and condition minds is a process that makes the USA's PSYOPS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_operations) look amateurish.
Not long ago,the Doha debates (http://www.thedohadebates.com/news/item.asp?n=4160) was held at Georgetown university.Among it's panel was one scumbag named Alan Dershowitz,the Harvard lawyer that got Norman Finkelstein removed from his post at De Paul university (http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/tenure-4-articles/).

During this debate,the name of John Demjanyuk popped up.Alan Dershowitz said "I don't care if he wasn't Ivan the Terrrible,he must have been Ivan the bad somewhere".This kind of reply and bigoted to boot sums up those involved in the holocaust industry.It is big bucks and like the Mafia,much is at stake and needs to be defended at all and any costs.As of yet,I haven't come across any stories whereby the holocaust industry has 'bumped off' people that don't agree with the holocaust mafia,but holocaust denial law is a darn good way of getting an individual bumped off the employment role and in many cases,this is good enough to silence the holocaust industrys' critics.

Neverwinter
14thMay2009, 13:50
As of yet,I haven't come across any stories whereby the holocaust industry has 'bumped off' people that don't agree with the holocaust mafia,but holocaust denial law is a darn good way of getting an individual bumped off the employment role and in many cases,this is good enough to silence the holocaust industrys' critics.There was that Frenchman who was killed by a car bomb. Sadly I cannot think of his name at the moment. They did not like his revisionism work we can assume?
:mad:

Sepp44
14thMay2009, 14:43
There was that Frenchman who was killed by a car bomb. Sadly I cannot think of his name at the moment. They did not like his revisionism work we can assume?
:mad:

Do you mean this guy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Duprat)?I have given the most convenient link which as you know is open sourced and may be edited at any time by anyone.

etoile noir
15thMay2009, 02:00
Not long ago,the Doha debates (http://www.thedohadebates.com/news/item.asp?n=4160) was held at Georgetown university.Among it's panel was one scumbag named Alan Dershowitz,the Harvard lawyer that got Norman Finkelstein removed from his post at De Paul university (http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/tenure-4-articles/).


doha debates can still be enjoyed on bbc world news Bbc
and they havent changed an iota!

Neverwinter
15thMay2009, 04:43
Do you mean this guy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Duprat)?I have given the most convenient link which as you know is open sourced and may be edited at any time by anyone.Yes... The stalwart Le Pen has not forgotten his beautiful friend after more than 30 years. A beautiful and very-able spirit was snuffed from existence because of the true haters. Where are men of fortitude with iron-spirits such as Duprat and Le Pen? So few and isolated....

Each year Jean-Marie Le Pen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Marie_Le_Pen) pays his respects to the at Duprat's gravesite at the cimetière de Montmartre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cimeti%C3%A8re_de_Montmartre). At the 30th anniversary of his death, LePen paid tribute to his being a "martyr to the cause in free thinking", "fighter", and "politician right to the tips of his fingers"
I felt as though I would cry when I read those words. Men of good will need spiritual supermen to lead them. From the spirit flows all else.